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blah blah blah...what magazine would that be...Marvel Comics...if you rock so much on stage...then GOSH..why haven't we heard you on the radio yet?
Don P.
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 22:52:52 (EST)

Cherokee~ I'm merely trying to join the debates and discussions. Nothing more, nothing less. I never analyzed any of you. Honestly, I love learning how other people, particularily other parents, live in comparison to me. Maybe if I worked somewhere and was away from my kids a long portion of the day, I'd have all of my "adult" withdrawl taken care of other than on a board such as this. Anyway, yes, I am the type of person who doesn't mind the challenge of heavy debates...I can even tolerate the name calling. Mostly, what I see here is anger towards me because I'm pro-choice and proud to be so, I'm not afraid to admit to my abortions (nor am I ashamed of them), and it's near impossible to piss me off. I can understand your frustration, Cherokee.

I find there are many intelligent womyn who post here. I can list them, but I wouldn't want any to be bothered if I didn't list them.

Cherokee...if someone who has had abortions is actually a parent to those unborn people, then , does this mean the same as if someone had a misscarriage? I had two ..so do you consider me the mother to 8? Even if the egg never impkanted? (Or was technically fertilized?) One of mine was a blighted ovum...(meaning a sac formed, but no embryo) then what?

You have the right to think I am the mother to 6 if you wish..it doesn't change how I feel , think , or act...it doesn't change me as a person in any way shape or form. I give you the right to have your thoughts. I know I am the mother to 4, that's all that matters.

And by the way, I have only used the tamborine twice on stage in a year, I think it's goony. :-) It's my voice and presence that rocks. :-D

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Dear viewer~You said...

"nooo...I believe you said {{"ignorance is bliss"}}} to Cherokee, and spelled it wrong"

Spelling errors are common and frequent when there's a lot of typing going on, if I did in fact, spell something wrong. I think you're trying to over analyze me. Also, I don't think making a statement like that is calling someone a name. It was just what it was~a mere statement. Take it any way you want to.

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I was invited to be interviewed by a popular magazine regarding medical abortion. I'm going to share the article with all of you once it is published. You don't have to read it, but I'm sharing anyway. And, instead of being ridiculed, I'd really like some honest thoughts on how it turned out.

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It's bedtime here...hubby's home. (My turn for a back rub tonight!)

Goodnight.
Saraj
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 22:38:36 (EST)

Cherokee - yep, that's where I live. It is mostly washed away by the rain as of now, although we had a messy few days on the roads. My adrenaline junkies (dh and dd) had a great time sledding while I watched, biting my nails that my dd was going to get hurt ;-) (yeah, I'm THAT kind of mom). LOL. Sounds like we might get MORE snow tomorrow.

LH - I could have sworn I heard Matti muttering out in the room his cage used to be in the other night. I meant to post a message before now, but forgot.

I'm trying to figure out my digital camera I have had for 2 years but never used, lol, then homework, so maybe I will be back to see how this conversation is progressing.
Margarita
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 22:31:45 (EST)

Margarita..I wanted to ask you, you live in WA state right? Are you doing alright with all of that snow? I saw it on the news tonite and thought of you guys up there...(it was 72F) today here, I would love some snow..
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 20:54:27 (EST)

Dios Mio!

Two viewers? So is one "original" and one "extra crispy"? Ok..my lame stab at humor tonite. Viewer..we have disagreed on stuff (MJ);) but you were never disliked...This place needs to lighten up a bit...iparenting..HELLO-ya slackin' folks....new topic please. I played cruise director today...maybe someone else could pick a topic for tomorrow?

I like a good debate as the next person, but frankly all of Saraj's psychobabble, pseudo-analytical CA-CA that she is trying to pass off is just...tired. I think myself and a few others, frankly are quite educated, and it is insulting to our intelligence that you try to do so Saraj. We know the difference between half-assed rhetoric (as is shown by sketchy skewed facts and numbers)and the real deal. It cracks me up that several, myself included, of the people on the board have a great deal of social service, nursing, child welfare, and community health experience, but hey, a mom of 6 CHILDREN, 4 living who raises puppies and bangs a tamborine and sings in a band knows more than the people who do it for a living. Maybe there is no inner child you are 'discovering'in us Saraj, no buxom woMYN trying to be freed of their repressive society, aching to abort a baby causing an inconvenience in our "lifestyle" whether we know it or not, or any other cause you claim to champion...maybe you just PISS PEOPLE OFF BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF PERSONALITY.

Whew. That felt better. Anyhoo...:0)
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 20:51:30 (EST)

Another viewer? I'm sorry...should I change to something else or just go by viewer II?
viewer
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 20:36:54 (EST)

LOL, now I am confused about what views belong to which viewer.... can someone clear it up for me? :-9
I thought there were some excellent points made. Just this morning I was thinking that there is a temptation with these boards to really reem someone because we have the security of anonymity - ok I know I slaughtered that but oh well. My daughter and I are playing at the moments as well, so ya'll have to cut me some slack ;-)

I did want to say however, that Julie did not do anything than none us have been innocent of. I too have been posting to Saraj to continue to ask her questions and I think that is my right to do so, nobody else has to pay our conversation any mind. While I don't agree with many of Saraj's views, I think she sounds like a strong woman who is up to some respectful conversation about our differences. So, Julie wasn't all that respectful, but in essence she wasn't doing anything I am wasn't, so I can't say that she was in the wrong. I don't think iparenting is going to nix the board because of the stuff she was saying in particular - I do think that bickering climate however could lead to a farewell.

That's all I have to say for now... lol - I have some important elephant noises and moves to make now... LOL.
Margarita
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 20:21:35 (EST)

Well spoken "Viewer" II.
What has happened to this board this past month? I know I was the least liked person last year for a while on this board, but "gulp", I guess I was let off easy compared to this "saraj" person. After reading what she stands for, it is not surprising she has made so many "enemies" here online...or in her hometown for that matter...sad "miss saraj".
original Viewer
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 19:56:19 (EST)

nooo...I believe you said {{"ignorance is bliss"}}} to Cherokee, and spelled it wrong ....but no matter. Everybody knows what you are and that is it. You don't make me uncomfortable...I just ignore...you are not worth the time.
viewer
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 19:47:04 (EST)

Dear Viewer~

It's too bad you feel I have caused troubles here. Obviously we have different views...it's a good place for you to learn to accept others for who they are instead of trying to ignore them so they "go away"..going away doens't mean people who are different than you are actually gone.

I will stick around here to be available to anyone who may need my advice, or thoughts...having a board filled with all different views is nothing less than ideal.

I have never once called a name, gave an insult, or cut anyone down for their diversities...I feel I deserve the same respect.

I also deserve the respect of being spoken TO and not ABOUT when i am clearly seeing what is being typed on these boards.

If something is said by me, without insult, and it "get's your goat"..it is you who makes yourself feel that particular way, not me, or anyone else. This is a great place to learn about yourself. Ask yourself "why am I getting so furious?"..."Why do I make myself so upset over someone else's way of thinking?" Just some advice.

Take it or leave it...

But, I am here to stay...:-)

Saraj
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 18:59:06 (EST)

I found this on iparenting.com and thought since its impossible to find.. I'd post the addy to.
Its a good read.. fun humor.

http://iparenting.com/resources/articles/listlifecycle.htm

North of the Boarder
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 16:42:49 (EST)

Cherokee,

My song would be "Long Time Coming" by Sam Cooke.

I just love the song!

Shawanda
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 16:40:40 (EST)

Thanks Cherokee! I do that sometimes...well, alot lately...stand back and take a good, long look at myself! :-)

My song for the day?
"I am Beautiful" by Christine Agulera(sp?)...
"I am beautiful, no matter what they say...their words can't bring me DOWN"!!!!

TC all...almost TGIF!!!:-)
LH
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 14:49:56 (EST)

Viewer.. Very well written. I will try to take your advice :) Altho, I have to admit, it hard sometimes to * not * post back to some of these people. But I will make an effort to try harder, not because you suggested it, but really, because its just a round-a-bout good idea!
Lyne
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 14:38:21 (EST)

You know, I have noticed a trend here...it has happened a couple of times. If we don't get our $hit together, iparenting may nix this board altogether. Not to say that others haven't 'gotten into it' however, I am using Julie and Saraj as examples, because they seem to be particularly nasty:

1. We have a debate.
2. Someone inevitably *gets the goat* of one of the board posters.
3. That board poster (Julie)makes a more personal attack on the person with the 'less-than mainstream opinion' (Saraj). Granted Saraj had it coming..after all she has said. Not to say Julie needed to give it to her.
4. Others on the board have had 'nuff and call Julie on her behavior.
5. Julie gets all apologetic and then turns on her heel, and leaves with a "Hmmmmph" .
6. Several people call her back, please don't leave because of this etc.

I have seen this little drama a couple of times on this board which is the reason I do not post often. I just want to yell "KNOCK IT OFF". I personally feel Saraj is the most annoying, infuriating person (not because I am I "different", "afraid" or feel "repressed", just because I know she is putting little Sarajes out there) I know and goes against everything I believe in..I find it equally annoying that others e-fight with her--I want to talk about interesting things, not sling personal insults and having pissing matches. Sorry. I refuse to feed her drama by addressing her and fueling her cause. When you ignore people like that, they either quiet down or go away altogether. Julie allowes herself to gets sucked into it, because she is passionate about what she believes in as well, but her responses come off catty and immature. I won't miss THAT on the board.

SO..unless I am mistaken that 5th graders are allowed to post on this board can we all agree to have fun and discuss, discuss, discuss?

Oh..."The Gambler"..I like country too. And...when Kenny Rogers was younger, he was HOT!
viewer
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 13:54:32 (EST)

Julie.. I would hope you dont leave because of that. I think we have all said things on here that maybe have been a bit harsh or maybe we got caught up in the heat of the moment. I think what you have to say is of interest, and I would hate to see anyone leave just because someone doesnt agree :)
Lyne
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 13:20:44 (EST)

Angela - I love "The Good Stuff" too. In fact, I think I will listen to it right now. There is also another Kenney Chesney one - I think it is called A lot of things different, that I love.

Julie - You are always willing to apologize, and I appreciate that. I hope you don't think I was singling you out, I was only responding to Liz's comments about what you had said.
As far as saying something you feel needs to be aplogized about: we've all done it. It's not that big of a deal, especially if you are making an effort to not continue to post in that manner. However, I am not the baord monitor, and therefore you should post however you feel is best - all I have ever asked is that you guys would read my opinion on how the board was going as far as bickering. If you choose to not post anymore, then so long, farewell, to you my e-friend!! ;-) that's a song from one of my daughter's shows... I wish you the best! LOL there is so little drama in my life with my real friends and family that I need the little spice here.

I think there is a big difference (this is not directed at anyone) between disagreeing with someone's opinion and not valuing their ideas period... I would hope that I keep an open mind about my fellow poster's messages rather than feel they are all tainted because of one or two differences of opinion.

Hope to check in this evening when I am working again - see what is new on this board! Have a good day everyone.
Margarita
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:59:47 (EST)

Cherokee--Hee!Hee! Oh--Also "The Good Stuff" by Kenney Chesney is pertinent. My country roots are showing I think!
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:44:28 (EST)

Before I go, I would like to apologize to Saraj for the "traffic accident" joke. It was out of line. Calling someone a "lost soul" seems hardly insulting. If it is, then my church has commited many, many insults. Maybe my leave from this site won't be forever. I'm not leaving specifically because of Liz, but because I need to get away from all the drama. Most of which I take credit for causing. I once said to someone who was leaving this forum, "You need to up you BS tolerance, because life is full of it." I was wrong. No one has to take it.
Julie
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:43:18 (EST)

I am very upset right now, by what Liz has said. Saraj herself said that she was here to promote pro-choice rights. I never, ever said she was forcing anything on me! How dare you say what I was doing was hurtful when other people here called her "evil," "skanky," "beyond ignorant," and many other mean things. I am tired of being singled out and accused of doing things that are done by many others. Don't bother complaining. I regretfully won't be returning to this site.
Julie
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:33:34 (EST)

Riley's Mom...{{in Austin Powers' voice:}}"Ohhh you are soooo bad baaaby!"
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:29:35 (EST)

I am loving your question Cherokee. Finally something lighthearted and fun to discuss.

I would pick Twentieth Century Fox by The Doors.

Ok so I am a little off, but I feel like that on the inside. LOL
Thought it would be good for a giggle ! :)

A TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX
Well, she's fashionably lean
And she's fashionably late
She'll never wreck a scene
She'll never break a date
But she's no drag
Just watch the way she walks

She's a twentieth century fox
She's a twentieth century fox
No tears, no fears
No ruined years, no clocks
She's a twentieth century fox, oh yeah

She's the queen of cool
And she's the lady who waits
Sent to manless school
It never hesitates
She won't waste time
On elementary talk

Riley's Mom
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:17:41 (EST)

Cherokee--Hee!Hee! It is good not to be bitter! ;) Yep--Friends in Low Places could definetly be an American Anthem as it pertains to so many of us! The other three songs I picked are more suited to the "grown up" version of me. The "I Hope You Dance" video and song really took on a special meaning for me once I had our second daughter.
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:09:03 (EST)

Man, Im going to have to think about this one!! Im having a serious brain fart today!
Lyne
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:03:44 (EST)

Alot of my friends tell me my new husband (of several years actually) looks like an older version of Benjamin Bratt. My oldest daughter's friends say that alot. They aren't allowed to come over anymore. HEHEHEHE!
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:03:43 (EST)

HAHAHA Oh Angela ya crack me up! I think the "Friends in Low Places" song could be appropriate for most of us at one time or another. I know when I was goint through my divorce Nancy Sinatra and "These Boots Were Made for Walkin" ran through my head quite a bit. Except he left me. For someone else. Who can't have kids. Who CAN I JUST SAY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED ON WAXING..GET RID OF THE UPPER LIP HAIR ACCCKKK! But I'm not bitter. Anyway....
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 12:01:46 (EST)

O.K. this is my last one! I know you said only one song Cherokee--but we women are multi-faceted people. I have to add at one time "Friends in Low Places" by Garth Brooks was appropriate to the person I was, that made me who I am today. Plus--If I wasn't married to my hottie hubbie--I'd want either Garth or Kenney Chesney as my boytoy(like I would stand a chance! lol!)
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 11:52:08 (EST)

Got me goin' Cherokee! Also, in tribute to the work I do "Concrete Angel" by Martina McBride. Oh--and I thought of another one for myself "I Hope You Dance" by LeeAnn Womack--an absolutely beautiful song!
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 11:48:52 (EST)

"Landslide" by the Dixie Chicks (originally by Stevie Nicks who rocks!)
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 11:46:48 (EST)

"Possession" by Sarah MacLaughin (sp?). Lived it. Love it.
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 11:39:41 (EST)

Well, I don't have time to check song lyrics to make sure I am accurately representing myself, but a lot of time I feel like the old U2 song "Running to Stand Still" fits!!
Margarita
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 11:28:29 (EST)

Welcome to the Sound Off Discussion Board, where parents from all walks of life and all parts of the world come together in one place to share their opinions and thoughts about the question of the week. Please remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion and the freedom to express it. Obscene posts are unwelcome and shall be removed from the board. Please keep in mind that this is a public board. Never post personal information that you would be uncomfortable sharing with others

Liz - Ok, the traffic accident one was uncalled for, but seriously I don't see what is so offensive about the rest of the comments you mentioned. They were an expression of opinion and beliefs, no different than anyone else has posted. I agree, we don't need comments that are pointedly mean-spirited, but I completely support each person's right to express their own opinions and beleifs here. If the webmaster is really worried about us sticking to the topic, it should be changed often enough to keep us interested (no offense, just my opinion webmaster).
Margarita
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 11:25:29 (EST)

Obviously I am still thinking about mine. I'll be back. :0)
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:59:51 (EST)

Ok. Let's try something fun here...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you could have one theme song for your life right now...what would it be?
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:57:09 (EST)

Uh oh. Time for a "CARE BEAR STARE" LOL! :0)
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:53:23 (EST)

Really Liz, noone is trying to * run you off * or make you stop posting. We were just saying that its everyday on the board, since we are all human and all different noone is going to completly agree with anything anyone has to say, fully. I was just trying to say, as was Angela ( correct me if Im wrong :) for one thing one person says, there are others who will feel hurt or angry or just plain wont agree. We dont want you to leave if you dont want too, but just know that this board gets really heated, and this is nothing compared to what it is on some occasions. This thing with saraj is well... if you read all the way back ( if you want too, its pretty heated ), you will find out why some of us have said the things we have.
Lyne
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:31:51 (EST)

I meant "convictions."
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:30:23 (EST)

Liz--Nope--if you leave you are doing it of your own free will. Nobody can "run" anyone off an opinion board. If you don't have the courage of your covictions to withstand somebody disagreeing with you, you should not post what you know will be a post that will cause heated reactions. Don't ever blame another person because you CHOSE to jump into the fire, and could not stand the heat.
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:29:18 (EST)

LYNE--There I got it right! I've spelled your name wrong before...sorry.
For goodness sake Liz--if everybody got their posts banned because they were perceived by someone else as "hurtful" or "insulting" there would be nobody left! SHEESH! That is a wonderful thing about democracies...if you don't like it you don't have to read it, watch it, or listen to it!
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:24:59 (EST)

Lyne - I didn't mean you personally. I just think it's funny that people are defending Julie against my posts, but turn around and tell me to quit posting or Grow Up.

I guess I will quit posting. I know it's stupid to let something someone says to me bother me, especially when I don't even know that person. So Angela should feel proud that she ran me off.
Liz
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:24:16 (EST)

We must have posted that at the same time :) How was I insulting you Liz? I didnt call you names or insult you in any way. Just letting you know that things on this board can get really crazy ( if you read back ) and they can get insulting and whatever else. BUT, you dont have to post here, and you dont have to like what everyone is saying. Dont respond to the posts that you refer to as * insulting * or , dont post at all, just read it if it makes you that upset.
Lyne
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:12:50 (EST)

One more thing--I told you to grow up Liz, that is a far cry from trying to ban your posts from the board!
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:10:20 (EST)

There's another Lyne on here? I didnt know that, or was that post from Liz, and she put Lyne instead??
Lyne ( the first Lyne )
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:10:06 (EST)

I'm sorry I meant to attention that to Lyne not sign it Lyne.

Liz
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:09:32 (EST)

You don't think calling someone "a lost soul" or "a horrific traffic accident" is insulting? I think you missed my point all together.

I said I didn't think Julie or anyone else should post mean and hurtful things.

I find it very interesting that I made a comment about how insulting others offends me or all of you start insulting me.
Lyne
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:07:30 (EST)

Well said Lynn! Did I spell that right?
Liz--So what if you don't like what other people have to say? If you don't like it, move on! If you feel insulted by what another person says or feels, that is YOUR feeling. People do not have to take responsiblity for your feelings when they post their own. Again--GROW UP!
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 10:06:54 (EST)

I really didnt see the need * Liz * on telling the webmaster about Julie. We all here have different thoughts and beliefs and what we think is right and wrong and EVERYONE has their own way of doing things. We were all just clearly trying to see saraj's point of view on alot of the things she has said here. I dont really feel thats its right for you to go off on one person, and then trying to not let them be able to post here anymore. You really need to lighten up Liz, because if you cant take heated debates, you shouldnt be here, or at least posting. Maybe just stick to reading instead?
Lyne
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 09:59:43 (EST)

Margarita - Here are the posts I feel are offensive and insultsing.

(Saraj
Can't you read?

She's kind of like a horrific traffic accident
Saraj ~ It didn't fit your lifestyle, huh? May God have mercy on your soul.

You may not believe in God ~ but God believes in you.

I will no longer waste my time on this lost soul)

Angela - I don't feel it is "tattling". This board is for discussing a topic that the webmaster has posted. Of course we always get off track but there is no need to insult each other. Who wants to read that? The webmaster has made it clear several times on the discussion boards and on some of the diary Talk TO Me Boards that we are here to learn and support each other, not to try and bring others down who don't live like we do. I don't want Julie banned, I just think she could be a little less insulting. You could be to as well, you say Julie has a right to say what she wants then you tell me to grow up when you don't like what I say.

I wasn't saying any of this in Saraj's defense or on her behalf. I was saying it because I find it offensive to insult people you don't even know.

I used to love reading this board. I just wish some people didn't feel the need to insult.
Liz
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 09:47:21 (EST)

Good Morning All!
Cherokee--I did hang on to my girl's Christening Gown, and our son's Christening suit (do you remember the "knee" pants that boys wore in the 1930's? That is the kind of little white pants his suit had. So precious.) I kept the little white satin slippers with the girl's gown too. They look so TINY. I could never part with these items. My children can use them when they baptize THEIR babies (God willing.)
Margarita--I got the joke! Cute! :)
Julie--I did not find anything wrong with your posts either. Certainly nothing threatening or obscene that would justify your being banned from posting. I may not agree with what you say, but I certainly defend your right to say it. (Not that you need me to defend you though.)
Liz--So when you don't like what someone else posts, and find it personally offensive, you tattle to the webmaster and try to "stifle" and silence that person? Saraj is a big girl, and has proven more than once she can defend herself. You can feel free to relieve yourself of the burden involved with being saraj's self appointed protector! (I borrowed that line--or something close to it--from PJB.) In my own words Liz...GROW UP!
angela
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 09:22:44 (EST)

I just wanted to point out one more thing...I don't believe thtat everyone who is pro-abortion is God-less. I was just using Saraj's callous justification of hers in that she doesn't believe in God, therefore no ONE will hold her accountable.

Just something I thought of in my "ignorant bliss"...:0)

Seriously, I thought 'viewer' had some good advice.
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 09:12:21 (EST)

Margarita--HA! If I was judged on my typos people would probably think I had an 10th grade education!:0) I loved that joke. Totally get it.

Angela--I have so many things even from my 20 year old...I still have her christening dress. Some of that stuff I will never let go of.

Kerri--I find that ironic also. But the whole thing with people who are pro-abortion is that they believe that the baby isn't a baby until it is outside the womb..therefore they don't feel they are "baby killers" themselves. Believing there is no God Ii.e. no accountability) just perpetuates their illusion that it is ok..Abortion is legal, therefore the only power they have to respect is the law...I have mentioned that I have done a good deal of work in the women's healthy community regarding pre-natal classes and post-partum classes for women. I am not yelling here..just emphasizing..I KNOW MORE SINGLE WOMEN WHO REGRET THEIR ABORTIONS, THEN WOMEN WHO GIVE BIRTH TO ADOPT THEIR BABY OUT OR KEEP THEIR BABIES. The numbers speak for themselves. And Saraj don't even go to the place "those babies get abused"..I don't feel like doing "the dance" with you today. I have MAD COW disease...HAHAHA! Seriously, I think AF is showing up. No BFP this month. Darn. For the record, many children who are WANTED as she put it, are abused in many ways also.

LH--Thank YOU! Apology accepted and I am sorry I was harsh also. Truce?
Cherokee
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 09:09:21 (EST)

OOps, it's not a bacteria, it's a protein!

Here is a URL that might explain where I am coming from:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/madcow/faces.html
Margarita
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 01:14:17 (EST)

Isn't it ironic that the Hippie Liberals of the 60's spit on and screamed "baby killer's" at the returning Vietnam Veterans, yet they support the Saraj's and abortion doctors of the world who kill thousands of babies every year?
Kerri
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 00:57:46 (EST)

North of the Boarder - I for one don't care how many typos you make - if we were judged on our typos (and in my case I must be semi-dyslexic when it comes to typing because I always transpose my letters) we'd all be in trouble.

Liz - no offense, but I am not sure what is so offensive about Julie's postings - she's not calling names or anything. She has a different opinion that Saraj is all - and Saraj has proven she's a big girl and can deal with our differences. Please cut and paste if I am wrong in that Julie wasn't calling names and I will offer you my sincerest apology.

Saraj - I guess I have a little differering views on politics ;-) because I never vote for a person due to their party affiliation but what I think of their plans and what I can find out about their track records. Of course, with a good administration, any idiot could be president! LOL. Even me ;-) Sometimes those who are affiliated within a party have very different ideas and agendas as well, so although democrats are historically more pro-choice, there may be a difference between (xcuse me - not up on military abbreviations) Gen. Clark or Howard Dean for instance... imo Dean is an idiot and is getting endorcements for an ulterior motive, but what do I know ;-) ??

? for you Saraj - do you do any crisis pregnancy work? In what circumstances do you come into contact with women who have abortions? Most of the women that I have come into contact with who have had them ARE regretful, and no, nobody else made their choice for them.

PJB - no, I never got that impression ;-) no harm, no foul or whatever the saying is... but one of our earlier posts you had said there was always time to change your thinking or something like that, so I thougth you might enjoy reading about my "change of thinking". I am always mulling over my thoughts and philosophies for inconsistencies and improvement. Thanks for the compliment by the way =).

About Mad Cow disease - first a joke. Ok, close you ears and eyes if you are one of those feminist with no sense of humor:
Why do they call PMS "PMS" ?
Because Mad Cow Disease was already in use!!!

It was found in my state, about 6 hours away but was butchered and packaged only a half hour away from me. I know it is only found in the brain, spinal cord, etc however I have also read that the bacteria that causes it is resistent to current known sterilization techniques, so it would seem (and it seems there was a documented case in England) that a knife, or other instrument, that came into contact with it could easily infect a steak. Since it takes up to 10 years to show enough syptoms to be apparent, there could be many more people than we know about who are infected with the bacteria. I definitely want to do some more research on the subject before making my mind up either way. I want to support the beef industry (although I HATE the way cows are slaughtered) - there are lots of families right now who are going to be facing some hard times if it gets any worse for them.

Gotta do some homework (first day of classes and homework already!!).

Margarita
Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 00:48:17 (EST)

I apologise for the spelling errors.. I'm tired and on advil (ok.. bad joke)
Actually I reread my post and didn't like the way it sounded with the agreeing on the morning after pill.. I agree with it ONLY on the basis that it be used as a last resort due to rape aka: date rape.. etc. Not as a contraceptive tool.
I know you don't know me.. but I wanted to clarify that. I have followed the board for a long time but never posted.

Cherokee - Keeping my fingers crossed for a BFP for you! : )
(its recommended to wait till due for AF before testing.. as hard as that is.. I know!)

All the best in the new year to all!

North of the Boarder
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 22:39:31 (EST)

Saraj, Thank you for answering my question intelligently. I know with e-mail it is sometimes hard to interupt someone tone of voice and I was asking out of respect and curiosity. I am a mother of one child (so far) and I hope when the time comes I am able to educate her and hope she goes forth with all the available resources.

Julie - I have contacted the webmaster about you. This board is not for those "holier than thou" to ridicule and insult those of us who have chosen to voice "our" opinions. No one here is trying to make you live their way. I hope there is someway they can block your posts if they continue to be hurtful and insulting.
Liz
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 21:39:08 (EST)

OK.. my new years resolutions are to have iparenting.com to change the question on the board I followed to get here sometime before the question ends.. sorry folks.. I didn't see the question change here before posting.. will teach me to read first. lol

My resolution is to eat as healthy as I can, take time to exercise even when I'm rushed, and to spend as much quality time with my family as possible. Life is too short to stress about it! : )

North of the Boarder
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 21:31:16 (EST)

Just thought I would voice my opinion on the morning after pill. I agree with it on the terms that it isn't used as birth control due to std's. There is, I guess always the possibility of the wrong guy or date rape where it would mean everything to the woman to prevent pregnancy. Contraception is a respondsibility of both the man, and woman to prevent std's, and pregnancy.

On the mad cow thing.. they did a report on our news station which stated something about having a 1 in 100 000 chance of contracting mad cow disease and only if you eat the brain, tongue, heart and spinal cord.. EWW.

I think with those odds I'll go play the lottery! : )

Have a great day all!

North of the Boarder
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 21:25:06 (EST)

LIZ...good point in your post! I can see that becoming a problem too...STD's running rampant because of others thinking "heck whats the worry...I've got the morning after pill"!!! I still FIRMLY believe that it should not be made so readily available!!

On another note...CHEROKEE, I think an apology is in order here...after I have been here for awhile, I feel I made a hasty judgement about you! I was not aware of what "efriends" were...even so, in my post, I didn't mean that I didn't want to be on speaking/posting terms with you! I hope you will accept my apology! TC!
LH
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 20:58:23 (EST)

I think Saraj actually did the opposite of what she has intended to do by being on this board. After reading the reasons she has had abortions, it saddens me beyond words. She says that her unborn child would have been a beautiful sibling...so why? WHY? Why would she get rid of it? I am literally crying for that child right now. That child is in the heaven that she does not believe in. And that's not fair. I was wrong, Saraj. You did teach me something. You taught me that in my heart of hearts, I am pro-life. I believe that abortion by any means, is murder. I know I'm sounding like a hypocrite to some of you, but I think it's because I've been allowing my head to make decisions about what I believe, not my heart. I cannot pretend that I think getting an abortion is acceptable any longer. I cannot continue to lie to myself. I know some of you are completely annoyed by my posting...but I can honsestly say that this forum has just changed my life.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 19:19:23 (EST)

Don and all others ~ You don't have to worry about me asking Saraj any more questions. I have learned from her all that I can. And that consists of absolutely NOTHING. I will no longer waste my time on this lost soul. We are both feminists but that is all we have in common. In her world, God does not exist ~ in my world, God is the only thing that exists.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:45:55 (EST)

You may not believe in God ~ but God believes in you.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:32:47 (EST)

Julie_

There is no god in my life, so no need for such requests..but thank you anyway! :-)
Saraj
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:29:14 (EST)

Whoops...SARS...I know... I know...I was thinking of Mad Cow Disease for some reason.
(but is name calling really neccessary just because I spaced out for a moment?) hmmmmmm......

SARS....Also scary...the good news, it can be cured if discovered quickly. Advice=If you're coughing, sneezing, and getting worse instead of better, and you can barely stand up without having to sit down right away, go to the ER.

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Lyne~ I am extremely fertile. My husband can breathe on me and I get pregnant. If you only knew how careful we were...we're just baby makers. LOL! I'm surprised , even with his vas., that I'm not pregnant again yet!
And, oops again, for not reading your post thoroughly.
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Liz~ I think abstinence is a great odea. Sadly, it is just not very possible to stick to it. As humans, as animals, we are all meant to "breed"..have sex...make love...or however you want it called...It is natural for all of us to have sex. For those who can refrain from sexual encounters, I'd say good for them. I am not one of those people, as I am sure realistically, most of you aren't. Therefore, it is important that all parents educate teir children on the dangers and risks of sex without a condom (and even those WITH one), the dangers and risks of drugs and sharing needles, and ALSO the OPTIONS their children have if an unintended pregnancy happens. (just in case they decide to have sex, or use drugs.) I would hope that even those of you who are completley against abortion be sure your children know that abortion IS in fact an option for them...I mean, after all they are their own people, they are not mini yous. ;-)

Saraj
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:27:16 (EST)

Ron ~ don't bother answering. I already know what you'll say. I was mean to Saraj in my own way and have no right to complain about how anyone else has treated her.

Saraj ~ It didn't fit your lifestyle, huh? May God have mercy on your soul.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:08:05 (EST)

"As far as SARS...we just don't eat meat. Scary stuff." For goodness sake saraj--you are just a flippin' idiot! That was meant to be personally insulting, so no need to point it out to me.
Julie--that does not include you! We've all had "brain fades."
Anyway--I think I've mentioned that we are not having anymore children, so I can now start getting rid of clothes (I have saved every item, for 8 years), especially the baby boy clothes. I've given up on the unrealistic idea that I will have a garage sale--for starters we live way out in the country. So, I have started going through boxes, putting aside what Dayton Faith can wear, and packing the rest up for Goodwill. Can you believe I've been getting teary eyed going through all of the little outfits? It's like a walk down memory lane~every little outfit has a story! Sniff! Sniff!
angela
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 16:41:34 (EST)

SARS doesn't come from meat.
Cherokee
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 16:32:05 (EST)

O.K. I tried to stay out of this whole abortion issue because no one ever agrees but, Saraj - I have yet to see you mention abstainance. I can only imagine how fast STD's will rise if people think "Oh, we don't need a condom we can use the morning after pill.

Just curious on your viewpoint of abstainance.
Liz
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 16:27:07 (EST)

saraj..... CLOSE YOUR LEGS WOMAN!!!!
Lyne
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 16:25:34 (EST)

saraj.. if you re-read what I posted, what I said was that you ACT as if they were nothing but garbage, I DIDNT say you threw your baby IN the garbage!
Lyne
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 16:24:03 (EST)

Lyne~ Having an abortion is legal and therefore is completely different than "throwing a baby in the garbage". Having abortions does not make anyone sick and twisted. The sick and twisted ones are those who try to run some else's life and their choices.
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Julie~ Giving a child up for adoption is not an option for me. For my situations, pregnancy did not fit into my lifestyle at that time. NO, I feel no remorse for my abortions, just like MOST womyn who have had one (I did not say "ALL" so don't freak out). I can agree with you Julie, that I am a feminist, so you can understand me more, however, I really frown upon "labels" of any sort.
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Angela~ Naral is Pro-Choice, you are correct. Naral is what I am all about. I never "rah rahed" any abortion. I wish I never had to make that choice...but birth control fails, and unwanted pregnancies happen. My first pregnancy was when I was 17...and I didn't love the man I had sex with...abortion was a very easy choice. With last summer's pregnancy, it was with my wondeful husband, and the baby would have been my beautiful children's sibling...It was a more difficult choice...I cried, I hated having to decide, but ultimately, the choice we made was the best for our family. SO never assume anything...like that me, or anyone RAH RAHS abortion. I RAH RAH my freedom to choose. Huge difference.

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Myself, and other people who represent NARAL, want to prevent unplanned pregnancies. One of which is with the morning after pill. Even though it only PREVENTS pregnancies, somehow, there are anti-choice people out there who are against it. Seem most of them want an even worse population problem, more crime, more child abuse, more poverty...tell me, why is that?

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MArgarita~ I agree with you in a sense...however, if there is one candidate who is pro-choice and one who is not, my chances are great that the pro-choice candidate will lean more towards all of my views, not just that one particular view. Hence the Democrat/Republican labels.
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As far as SARS...We just don't eat meat. Scary stuff.

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Saraj
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 16:00:57 (EST)

Don ~
Could you please give me a specific example of what I was a hypocrite about? I bet you're "viewer," aren't ya?
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 15:36:44 (EST)

Oh crap...I did get them mixed up didn't I? something about SARS didn't sound right.
Hi, my name is Julie and I am dumbass.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 15:33:12 (EST)

Aww Jeez...just had a moment to read through some posts...

Alright WEBSTER:
"Cari-freaking-bou"!!! JEEZ!

I think everyone here pretty much got the jist of what I meant!! LOL!!

Hope ya'all have a great day...umm whats left of it! TC!!
LH
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 15:21:22 (EST)

Margarita,

I totally understand how and why you say you are pro choice but against abortion. A lot of people feel the same way. It is not a conflicting stance from a debating standpoint. a lot of people have the view that they do not want to elimiate the choice for others even though THEY are personally against it. it is a very large sector of the abortion debate. I hope i did not make you feel that I had the impression you were being "inconsistent". I dont feel that you are being inconsistent at all. In fact you are one of the most sound and solid voices here. I always appreciate reading your input.

PJB
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:58:31 (EST)

I really don't know enough about the mad cow to discuss it, I am going to check it out though. I thought I had read somewhere that you have to consume tainted meat over an extended period of time to suffer from its effects. But that didn't make me feel any better. We are big time meat eaters, but have tapered off since the first reported incident.
Cherokee
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:35:16 (EST)

Julie, do you mean West Nile Virus? That is spread by mosquitos. I don't think there has been SARS in the US...although Alaska was close...SARS is a respiratory ailment. CDC has a great webpage on it.
Cherokee
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:32:36 (EST)

I am worried somewhat about the mad cow situation too Margarita. I am on Ohio, so not one of the states they say are affected. However, my DH made spaghetti the other night , and I wouldnt help but to wonder if the meat was * okay *. It is scary! I must say, the sap that I am when animals are involved, I was a little upset ( but understand why ) they have to slaughter all those cows. For some reason, I was upset.
Lyne
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:29:29 (EST)

Geez Julie...grow up. You have something to learn from *saraj*? Seems to me you two are exactly alike. You are the hyprocrite and the worst out of everyone. You don't even have anything of substance to say..you just echo everyone else.

Margarita, I for one would be interested in the "mad cow" incidences reported lately.
Don Pearke
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:25:31 (EST)

Margarita
It was found only 30 minutes from your house? Wow. That is really scary. I would quit eating beef too. For the past two summers we have had SARS here. I know that's not the same as the mad cow situation, but I feel they have a lot in common. Everytime we would feel a little sniffle, we would wonder if we had SARS, especially if we had some mosquito bites. It was really scary.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:23:36 (EST)

I'm glad so many of you like the cookie recipe! I made them with apricots and cranberries last time, and my dd apparently doesn't like apricots (but I do!!) because she is just picking out the cranberries.

PJB - I just have to say that while I haven't become completely changed from believing a woman should have a choice, I am seeing how inconsistent it is for me to support murder being illegal but support pro-choice. I have always considered abortion as murder, since my own "lighbulb" moment when I was 18 or so, but have still supported choice. Now I am a little confused about my thought process... ;-) but that's okay, it's not the first time I have reconsidered my beliefs. Anyhow, that is the last I have to say about abortion on this board for a while, I don't know about you all but I am tired of the same old discussion.

Saraj - I respect your right to your own opinion, and your right to crusade for it, however I just wanted to say that if you vote in a candidate (and in case you didn't know she is not even in the running this year) because of only one issue, you may be causing much more damage in other arenas... I think it is more responsible to look at ALL aspects of a candidate before deciding to vote for him/her - no one will be perfect but who will best serve humanity in our country as opposed to who will best serve pro-choice, EPA, education only if they will be doing a bad job in the majority of other areas. Just a thought... but I realize you are free to form your own opinions and make up your own mind...

LOL I always get a kick out of those who complain about our administration, but who don't vote - lol. They don't deserve to complain if they don't vote because they have rolled over and given up their own voice. My dh is the worst at this - a source of much steamy and good natured debate between the two of us. I vote, he's not even registered (well, recently he did register) and he complains all the time!! AARRGGGHHH. Please, I don't want a slew of bashing on my dh, or I'll have to put on my boxing gloves though - he's a pretty great guy in most areas.

Did anyone read my post below about the subject of mad cow disease or are you guys just not interested in that topic? I won't be hurt if you aren't - like I said, I am close to the problems so it is probably more important to me.

Well, I have to go to class soon - and want to play with my dd before we go. Later!
Margarita
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:06:12 (EST)

Hi again all! I just wanted to add one quick something regarding NARAL.com. It IS a Pro-Choice website, but what it STRONGLY advocates is preventing unwanted pregnancy in the first place..mainly through easier access to effective contraception and also sex education. Though it supports a woman's right to choose, it certainly is not "RAH-RAH Abortion" and, more accurately, advocates REPRODUCTIVE RESPONSIBILITY.
angela
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:04:28 (EST)

P.S Viewer ~ I'm just asking her questions. I'm not calling her ignorant like you are. If you don't want me stirring her up, I suggest you refrain from calling her names. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:59:14 (EST)

Oh, I know she's not going to answer anyway. I guess what I've been trying to figure out throughout this entire thing is whether or not she feels any remorse at all. I've been trying to picture this whole thing from her point of view. She puts up a such a strong front, but seeing the things people have said about her, makes me wonder if she's home crying. Even if she is, being the extreme feminist that she is, she would never admit it. The thing is, I've only seen extreme feminists like this on tv and only read about them. I've never had the chance to actually speak with them. So I apologize for annoying everyone else on this board. I just feel that I have something to learn from Saraj. Some of you may not understand that.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:56:10 (EST)

Julie...can we all agree to just not perpetuate Saraj's madness by ASKING her questions? I'd love to address how she calls others ignorant when she clearly is just "beyond ignorant" herself - funny how she spelled it wrong, but really...let's all just not encourage her?

Let's think up a new topic...(*what* is up iparenting??) Anyone have any ideas?
viewer
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:39:15 (EST)

Saraj ~
Lyne makes a very good point. There is always adoption. So, even though I know you won't answer, I would like to ask this anyway. Why did you decide to have an abortion this last time, instead of giving the child up for adoption? I honestly would like to know.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:30:03 (EST)

Viewer.. very good point!!

Julie.. Funny :)

I guess on the abortion issue, I feel should be legal, for a couple reasons. But my #1 reason ( mine only ) is that if I was raped, I really dont know that I could carry on with the pregnancy. I know, its a part of me, but we all know rape is a very horrific thing, and well, I just dont know that, I myself, could carry out a pregnancy that resulted from rape. Of course, thank God, I have never been in that position, so I dont know for sure. But I think I would want that option open for me to choose. However, just to fall pregnant, I truly believe you should take care of your responsibility. Just because you already have *x* amount of kids, or wasnt ready to start a family yet... those are NOT reasons to have an abortion, and one of the reasons I dont agree with it. There is always adoption. I have several friends that cant have kids.. oh how they would love to have one to love :) think about it. My first 2 were not planned, but very much loved and would change anything for the world. My third was planned, and we do not want anymore. However, neither one of us are * fixed * so anything can happen, and if it did, we would deal with it and move on WITH a pregnancy.

saraj.. I guess what gets me is the way you talk about the 2 abortions you had, like the babies were nothing but garbage. That my dear is sick and twisted. Maybe you need some counseling?
Lyne
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:17:46 (EST)

Hi Everyone,
I haven't been here in a while, I see there has been quite a bit of controversy...my favourite thing about this board!

For the record, I am ANTI-ABORTION, because I respect God's creations and firmly believe that He has a purpose for each and every life he creates. For HUMANS to decide that a life isn't worth the effort is incredibly self-righteous.

If you are pregnant and don't feel that you can responsibly care for the child there are MANY families out there who would give their left leg for that baby and want to love it 200 times more than you could. Killing a baby because it is "inconvenient" for you is SICK.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents for now :)

SH
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:55:30 (EST)

Viewer
While I understand your point, I am responding to her because I want to understand where she comes from and why she believes what she does. She's kind of like a horrific traffic accident, some sick part of you wants to know all the gory details. This woman fascinates me, for some reason.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:25:26 (EST)

Cherokee--Oh! Poor baby! Chicken Pox are never fun, but they are even more miserable for the little babes! My two oldest were required to have the Varicella vaccine for their military health records, and I have never had the chicken pox, so I was vaccinated after our oldest was born. Apparently side effects in adults are quite serious. My "baby boo-boo burrito" will get her varicella vaccine with her 15 month vaccines. (I know the nickname is gaggingly sweet/cute! That is what our oldest daughter sometimes calls the baby though...I usually just call her skoodle bug!)

angela
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:25:01 (EST)

Viewer--Gotcha! :) Will do.
angela
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:19:06 (EST)

The mall was great, but exhausting. We are gonna miss that little gal...she's like part of our family. Your little girl has red hair! Ha! I love that....love Pretty Pony stuff...lots of small pieces that kids choke on tho.

Oh man..I think Esai has chicken pox. He has been sleeping all day and has little spots on his back...I cancelled daycare today. Low temp..99.8F
Cherokee
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:17:51 (EST)

Once again--do your homework saraj. I've been on this board a LONG time, and follow very closely what the WOMEN(and men) discuss. You are not a woman in the true sense of the word. You're behavior seems "skanky" for lack of a better word to describe it.
angela
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:15:31 (EST)

Why don't you all just decide to not respond to her posts? If nobody answers her, she can't have *fun* and will go away. She's such a bore...her pro-choice vey ignorant rhetortic and contradictions (it's not morally right,but legal...what?) make the real pro-choice group look stupid.
viewer
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:14:40 (EST)

Cherokee--Amazing how well "closing your legs" does at preventing pregnancy! What a grand concept. lol! Did you have fun hair pretty shopping? I just went out last week to buy pretties for Dayton's hair. She is the only one of my babes to lose her infant hair, but she lost it on the sides and back. She kept the long stuff on top, and it looks like a "My Pretty Pony" forelock hanging over her forehead. Now that the sides and back are growing in, the top looks kind of funny so we've started putting it up in a "Pebbles" doo. So Cute! Of course you have to wrap the hair pieces around it 8 times, and I got the smallest I could find. It looks like a little red cornstalk sticking up from the middle of her head. :)
saraj--Stop referring to yourself as a woman (or womyn). It is a disservice to the real WOMEN on this board.
angela
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:10:49 (EST)

No sarcasm Saraj..hmmm.

I know you like to think you are the annointed Joan of Arc out there...but do you get you are not wanted around here? (no sarcasm intended)
Cherokee
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:10:10 (EST)

Lyne~ Don't forget...opening myself up for this type of thing is a great learning experience for me. I am always looking for ways to keep abortion legal and to make sure womyn from all over know they have the choice to abort.

As much as you hate it, and as much as you want to decide for yourself what bc I used, it defeats my purpose for being here.

Ok, gotta get the breakfast going fer real this time!

Bye girls!
Saraj
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:08:18 (EST)

I'm not ashamed to share the birth control methods I have used. I have used the sponge, condoms, the rythym method, Depro-Provera, and The Pill.

Just because I believe abortion should be legal, it doesn't mean that I agree that it is morally right. I believe it should be legal because my own mother nearly died from giving herself an abortion with a coat hanger. I don't want to see that ever become an everyday thing.
Julie
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:06:08 (EST)

Angela~ You should follow the boards before you comment like that...

Here, I'll quote myself from below...

"
I suppose pro-life doesn't have to always mean anti-choice. There are pro-life people out there who would NEVER try to tell another womyn it is bad to have an abortion.
"

Saraj
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:05:38 (EST)

I am older than you Saraj, and the reason for my saying what I did IS because I cannot believe what you are saying, at all! Dont you think you opened yourself up for all of this, just from the site alone? Common, think about it. We dont need you to tell us what form of BC you use, its obvious what it WAS!
Lyne
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:03:56 (EST)

Lyne, that's where you're wrong. I WAS thinking.

This has been well, for a better word "fun"~but it's time to start the day with the kids.

I'll check back later on.

:-)
Saraj
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:03:35 (EST)

Actually I'm pro-choice. That certainly does not mean I would ever support Hillary Clintoon (I borrowed that spelling from LH I think). :) Saraj--Pro-Choice does not mean Pro-Abortion. Do your homework.
angela
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:02:56 (EST)

I'm agnostic. I have mentioned this on the boards before.
Saraj
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:01:54 (EST)</

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