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Ok sorry I meant to put to moira not from moira..LMAO
Don't make fun of me it really is because I am pregnant!!
Good idea Renee!!
traci
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 00:50:45 (EST)
What kind of disorder do you have? Have you ever had a blood clot or did they just diagnose you and you have been lucky?
They told me not to have anymore children. I wasn't even supposed to have this one but at 22 I wasn't ready to get my tubes tied. Now I have to.I still have a lot of time to think about it. So did they have you on regular heparin or lovenox? How much did they put you on?I have seen so many different answers. Doctors are weird! I'm glad every thing worked out! Oh sorry I have ANOTHER question..LOL Did they induce you? Did you have a c-section?
moira
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 00:49:31 (EST)
JUST A THOUGHT, LADIES....IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF SARAJ...JULIE...HALEY OR WHOEVER , THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE FOR EVERYONE , WITHOUT EXCEPTION , TO COMPLETELY IGNORE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING SHE ( IT? ) POSTS!! IF SHE GETS NO REACTION ( WHICH IS THE REASON SHE WOULD BE DOING THIS, APART FROM MENTAL ILNESS , THAT IS LOL!!! )SHE WILL GET BORED EVENTUALLY.....LOTS OF LUCK WITH IT!!!
Renee
email: JUST LURKING
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 00:41:01 (EST)
hi there. Wow this board is really heated.
Cherokee wow that is great that you have 5 children and one on the way. Congrats!!!

Traci I too have a blood clotting problem. I was on heprian injections through out my pg. It wasn't that bad. I would do it again in a heart beat. Well I will do it again in about two years!! LOL I can't wait to have more children.

Angela how many children do you have?

Well I must turn in for the night. One girl is up while the other is asleep. That seems like how it always is! Talk to you all tomorrow.
Moira
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 00:14:49 (EST)
Saraj -

The reality is that through your e.mail address and your full name in the review on the lemonskweezer website, Robert did find your address through Google. He told the rest of us how to find you, too. You aren't anonymous anymore. We do know what size your town is. We do know that you have problems with truthfulness. We know more about you than any of us ever probably intended to know. Ironically, people look for that sort of information when the person they are dealing with is as irritating, antagonistic and reprehensible as you present yourself to be in your rantings here. You claim that you're well-loved by all kinds of friends. You probably have some. But I would bet that there are even more people who are as bothered by you as are the people who post in this forum.
MaryJ
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 23:15:16 (EST)
Ok I am gonna run to the store (because of Cherokee..lol) and then go to bed! See you tomorrow.
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:55:51 (EST)
It seems so unfair that through all of this rubbush I am missing out on normal and mellow down to earth chats with other ladies here.

I think I'll take a break from the insanity and move on to the things that matter...

Kristin~yeah, the whole idea was hard for me to grasp too. I went to public schools and even catholic schools, and I always kind of went towards that type pf learning. I thin kit was pretty daring that I took the unschooling thing on at first. Not too many family members understood, or wanted to try to understand...but now they see that it is really paying off. I'm pretty happy with it so far. If I see things that need to change I will make those changes for the kids. My kids are 11 and younger.
I, too, am open to learning new things...if you have any good sites that go along with your views, please share!

Good night for real this time.

*yawn*
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:53:27 (EST)
A SWEAR WORD! Wow!

Goodnight Jeep Grand Cherokee. :-X
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:48:36 (EST)
Cherokee-My son Dillon who is mixed( I am white and his father is black) Well his father is not full black not that any of us are full anything(Some of us are full of S**T, LOL)But Dillon's father is 3/4 black and 1/4 Indian. Just thought I would share that with you:)

When we take a child into care(I work for Children Services or CPS) and they are Indian we have to notify a Council even if we don't know of the tribe they are from, even if we suspect from appearance we have to notify them. I find that very interesting as they want to protect their members for lack of a more educated term.

Saraj-Read the website, not sure how I feel about the unschooling thing. I guess my mind is so school oriented that it would be very hard for me to not have a structure to follow even if I was homeschooling. I was raised by teachers and have always worked in schools until I took this job and I was a student for years trying to complete my degree. I respect you for trying something different just not sure I have the whole idea grasped yet???? Glad it works for you. How old are your children? Since my son is in school I am back on a school schedule, my mind works from August-June, after 35 years I guess I am a creator of habit. Thanks for sharing the site so atleast I know what your talking about when the subject comes up. Always open to learn.


Kristin
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:47:23 (EST)
Good night saraj don't forget to take your meds. And it's Ms. Cherokee to you bitch.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:46:23 (EST)
Well Ms. Indian...I suppose you're right... CHerokee is SUCH a common first name. Maybe a street name...or a car brand...


Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:45:26 (EST)
Well, umm, yes I am you flippin idiot. YOU will never have MY last name. Dope.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:43:44 (EST)
Actually, it is Dept Coordinator Kerri, nothing clinical. It is at a level I trauma center, in the Er..lots of excitement and ironically enough pays MORE than the PCT job. (THAT doesn't sound fair)It will be a good job to work while I am in school...I will get to fine tune my supervisory skills and prepare myself more for management after I get my BSN...thank you for your encouragement. I'm So excited.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:42:54 (EST)
He didn't post MY address...

But I wanted him to THINK he did. Guess he had all of you fooled, too.

Um, wasn't it you who said you were going to make your name change LEGAL pretty soon?
Guess you aren't as smart as you think you are. ;-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:41:54 (EST)
Kerri- How scary. I have heard that it is common to deliver early when you have clots or clotting disorders. Both of mine were early. I guess you are a miracle baby like my daughter.
They are now trying to make a pill so pregnant women don't have to take the shots. Too late for me, but great for someone else!!!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:40:30 (EST)
Goodnight everyone. It's been fun. I'll check tomorrow and see if "anyone" has decided to be an adult.

xoxo
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:40:04 (EST)
FYI..maybe you missed the post by Robert..your street address and phone number. Mapqwest would take anybody from anywhere straight to you...you should be careful because the way you are, somebody could use that. There is crazy stuff on the news all the time, I would never put that much information about me on the internet. You say I am a coward..for not using my legal name...I'm just not stupid...
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:39:54 (EST)
Cherokee-That is GREAT! Which job are we talking about? I am assuming it is not the ER job... :)
Regardless, I think you are doing the right thing bypassing the "LPN" thing and going straight for the RN! You will be an asset to our profession!

Traci-you are a very strong and selfless woman do be doing what you are during your pregnancy. My mother developed a blood clot in her leg when she was pregnant with me, and back then it was a sentence to bedrest...which only exacerbated the problem! She wound up delivering early and almost dying since it went up to her lungs! Too bad they didn't have Coumadin/Lovenox back then!
Kerri
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:37:09 (EST)
First of all, none of you know exactly where I live. Secondly, I don't know the exact population in my hometown...it's small...and, that is all irrelevent anyway.

Not to mention that I am one of the few here who apologizes when it's neccessary.

It's kind of nice to know that I make such an impression on someone that they have to google my name. Even if it's negative...I like it. :-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:36:05 (EST)
Cherokee~Before I go tuck my babies in~usually you-know-who hates YOU most! Tonight I seem to be the "sand in her craw", but usually it is JULIE,and her clones I end up having to deal with. I've thought she was the same person all along. Lazy, racist, a bigot, etc. and she says I'm a bad mother. She MUST of had a "sucky" childhood if she has grown up thinking those things are what you are SUPPOSED to teach your children. I have to run~she's been fun. Not as challenging as julie and the clones, but fun anyway.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:35:07 (EST)
Thanks for making me have a craving!!!!!!!!!!! Now I have to get off my butt and run to the store. I will get you back don't worry..LMAO
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:34:55 (EST)
Oh Cherokee I am so sorry. I know how hard it is to lose a baby like that. My first pregnancy ended in miscarriage at 10 wks.I now know it is because of the clotting disorder I have.
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:33:47 (EST)
I mean to say..that is what they said...

And THAT..is my cue that it is time to wrap it up for the night...

There is some Haagan Daz(sp)peanut butter fudge chunk icecream with my name it, while I enjoy my FAVORITE show ER...between that and the toll house cookies with Miss Maddi this morning, I am starting this pg off great (not!) I'll have to play it straight for the next week or so...LOL...My youngest was almost 9 lbs two full weeks early...so nuff said.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:33:09 (EST)
I notice, that saraj takes no accountability for the nasties she initiates, even racial slurs..but is all teary eyed "oh so sad" when people react to her. Saying a person believes in God because they are "weak and need to compensate for their unhappiness" is considered pretty offensive.

Did YOU know saraj that maybe you are the one who needs help LMAO...

You don't get to walk around in life saying $hit to people and not have reprocussions. It's called ACCOUNTABILITY...you feel no need to apolgize for the crap you STARTED first coming on the board...everyone is just reacting to what YOU are saying saraj.

And I beleive SOMEONE ELSE brought up all of saraj's untruths simply by googling her full name and info she provided, not Angela.

Moira...thanks I have five kids and one on the way in October 2004

Traci~got a bit of the queasies today before breakfast, no big deal. It is early but that happened with my last pg too. I was carrying twins...one of them died around 8 weeks and was "reabsorbed" I guess is what they-by my body.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:27:41 (EST)
You DIDN'T lie about the population of your hometown??? You only pointed out that it is teeny tiny??? You claimed it was 600 people when it has a population of more than 4000. Claiming that it is 85% smaller than it is in actuality is stating a falsehood. Stating a falsehood is, indeed, lying.


Jenny
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:27:31 (EST)
uh, angie...you sure it wasn't YOUR mess she saw through? Let's try to avoid putting people in the middle of the mess you caused, K, brownie? (since I'm cookie...) ;-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:24:45 (EST)
Cherokee~That is great! You go girl! Take Care, and I'll talk to you tomorrow. :)
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:24:10 (EST)
Dinner was ok...we did the frozen french fries, chicken wings, and boca chicken wings.

The roads here are nasty. It's raining ice! There is a thick sheet of ice on eveything. Hope hubby drives safe on his way home. We need a cell phone....too bad I worry abot the possible cancer effects. Anyone have any good sites to direct me to on this?
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:22:33 (EST)
Cherokee- That is GREAT!!!!!!!!!! you go girl!!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:21:21 (EST)
Moira~Hi back! Nice to see you saw through her mess too. Hope to "see" you here tomorrow. Welcome and Good night.

TC all.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:21:17 (EST)
Not at all insecure with my life. I have a wonderful life and I have never been happier. In all honesty. it was my childhood that was sucky...but now, now I have it better than most any wife and mommy I know!
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:19:44 (EST)
So ladies how was your dinner? Cherokee have you been feeling sick lately or no? I didn't get sick with this one until I was about 7 wks along. I was like that with my daughter too. Now my son is a different story. I was sick from the beginning to the end.UGH!! I hate that part of pregnancy but it is well worth it.
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:18:27 (EST)
Kristen~I have a Dylan too! He is 12. Also, to answer your question: I'm glad you asked I found out I was Cherokee in my mid twenties. I had always looked "different" (very Cherokee nose, very almond eyes, high cheekbones, dark hair and tall.) I asked my parents several times what our background was. My mom always said "You are french polish and german". I was like no..way....My brother actually has very olive skin tones, I'm more fair than he. And my grandmother..well she was just plain Indian, like you see in books. LOL My dad, I'm sorry could not convince me we were anything else. Before she died I asked her straight up...she was oh..."I'm Cherokee and look at all my pictures....papaw didn't like me to talk about it.." that's the rural south for ya. But she is registered on the Baker Rolls..and since then I have started researching all of my lineage. It's quite interesting. My gram's hair was so black when she was young there was a like a bluish hue to it. And she was beautiful. My grandfather literally bought her at the age of 13 when he was 26. She had her first babe at 14.5 years of age, and her last at 45. She was a strong tall woman, and bossy as hell (don't know where I get it LOL)but she had five kids so she had to be. She died a few years back after having bone cancer for 5 years. Nobody survives bone cancer five years...she was one feisty broad LOL...

Angela~ well said. She who shall not be named can turn it around however she wants to, but it always comes up empty....I'm in TOO good a mood anyway!

Kerri~ HELLO! just got my SAR for student loans....I got $1400! That will MORE than cover tuition books and lab fees..I am so happy. This is actually the only semester I will be paying for school. The job I am accepting covers $5400/year for tuition provided I sign a 12 month contract with them after I graduate. Kerri check this sweet deal out: I'm SO excited: I get my RN through a community college (lower-tuition-I stay within the $5400 year marker for both years)...get my RN and get a job as RN with the hospital, then...They have a satellite campus to Grand Canyon University (a private christian college) and the hospital pays ALL my BSN curriculum, classes and day care (if I need it)up front..NO out of pocket costs to me...so I get my Bachelors in Science/Nursing..Isn't that great..I knew if I was patient and held out for the right job that one would come along...I'm very happy.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:18:20 (EST)
You are projecting again cookie. That is o.k. I don't hate you or anybody else for that matter. I hit a nerve with you~you are quite insecure with yourself and your lot in life. You "settled" for a life of "less than", instead of striving to be better at the risk of failing. My babies are fine...all alive and accounted for. Thanks for your concern sweetie~it is nice you can be concerned for somebodies children, if not your own.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:18:01 (EST)
angela~ I didn't skip any points. The problem is not me, it's you and how you decide you want to act. Did you know that only you can make yourself feel a certain way?

Ok, so , you say you know I don't pay my bills...what ARE my bills, what do we owe NOW , and what have we paid in the last WEEK? If you cannot answer any of the above questions, then, I think it is safe to say that you have no idea about me and my bills. ;-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:17:53 (EST)
Moira~ Please don't apologize for not agreeing with my choices. It is actually refreshing to have someone here act like an adult and express thier thoughts in a mature way. Thank you very much. :-) I will NEVER begin to attack you. Some friendly advice...be careful of how much of yourself and your life you open up here. ;-)

Glad to see you decided to stick around!
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:15:13 (EST)
You completely skipped around all the points I brought up. You do not pay your bills by the way, and I never said filing bankruptcy was illegal. BUT, be that as it may, you skipped over everything I pointed out. All I said is from information YOU gave out. Be as evasive now as you want to be. You are a terrible mother, and what you said to Cherokee shows you are a bigot. Keep digging your hole cookie.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:12:51 (EST)
angela~ You seem so unhappy. What's wrong? You know, someone like me could help you overcome your ickiness. I have many long time friends who appreciate my adversities.
You don't understand me, and you never will. You have ao ne track mind. Please please don't raise your babies like that. I'm not kidding...I feel for the whole situation. Do you hit your children? DO you yell a lot? Are you happy with hubby? WHat is it that you have to try to hurt someone secure and happy like myself? SOmeone who loves her life? I'm really sorry, but you can try and try, but it will never happen. All I do is feel sorry for you.
I understand you hate me for my differences and it must be hard not be able to see things through fresh and accepting eyes...but really, it is not healthy. You have already scared so many sweet womyn from this board. I have to stay for the next ones who role around. (Are you trying to form a cyber cult?) Honey pie...go spend some time with your kids. Love life and be easy on yourself. ;-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:12:11 (EST)
Ok well I will say this that I thank you all for the welcome. Mary J sorry for the rudeness but I can see why you would be jumpy.
Any hoo.

Saraj I am sorry but I don't agree with any of your views at all. Unschooling? What is that? I have never heard of it before. I will just have to say that I will agree to disagree with you on those issues that I would rather not discuss. I have learned in the past that talking about things that I am passionate about like abortion and God and such is pointless to those who don't listen and have already made up their minds. Other wise we are fine so far unless you start attacking me.

Traci No harm done. :)

Cherokee I think I am going to enjoy talking to you. How many kiddos do you have?

Angela Hello! how are you
Moira
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:05:42 (EST)
Yes angela...saying things like "idiot" and "bigot" ar emuch much more polite. ;-)
And, the abortions have nothing to do with my living children. I choose the children I have. I wanted the pregnancies, the babies and all that comes with it. Don't forget..abortions are LEGAL and available and OK whether you like them or not. And whether you like it or not, womyn have them EVERY DAY.

I didn't lie about my hometown population ( detect A STALKER?) I gave a general idea of how teeny TINY it is.

Again, filing for backrupcy is LEGAL and OK. AND, it's none of your buisness.

I don't mock you for your belief in god. Go for it. I just offered my thoughts on why people believe, it was that simple..i never said that was why YOU believe. DOn't jump to so many conclusions. If you misunderstand what I am trying to say, then ask me, politely.
Accepting food from a church had absolutely NOTHING to do with religion.

I NEVER get my nails done...weirdo. Where do you come up with this crap?

We go to Chuck E Cheeses a lot..AND we pay our bills.

WIC is offered to people with relatively high income. What does that mean? It means you don't have to be so poor you cannot buy food to GET IT. It is a mere additioj to what you have. We get it legally, we pay our bills, we live comfortably. :-)

Well, I think you are a terrible mother. You ofcourse, have too much to hide to be honest and open wnough to share info of yourself, so I have little I can bring up, but your attitude and unacceptance of people and their differences make me worry about the good of my children living in a world with such nasty adults, because they were raised by you and your nastiness. This is soo so so so sad.







Kristin...here's a good site about unschooling. :-)

http://www.naturalchild.com/guest/earl_stevens.html


Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:05:06 (EST)
I forgot~and you UNschool them, and keep them close to home, because you don't WANT them to see how the world is. They think you are "cool" now, but you do not want them to see how other HEALTHY families live. HEALTHY families do not all live the same way, but they don't live like you do. You don't want your kids to see that, and you don't want to let your little birdies spread their wings and fly too far away from you. They would grow up utterly disgusted with you, just like most people are who come into contact with you. How can EVERYBODY be wrong about you? I don't think they can be. YOU are the problem cookie~you are a terrible example of motherhood.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:00:52 (EST)
You only do those things with the children you allowed to be born. You abort the ones that do not fit into your lifestyle.

Where do you teach your children ethics and integrity? You have been caught lying about the simplest of things~for example the population of your hometown.

Where do you teach your children responsible behavior? You have children you cannot afford, if you don't kill them in utero, then stiff your creditors because you live outside your means. Instead of liquidating your debts, you just tell your creditors to "f" off and file bankruptcy. You mock us for believing in God, then take food donations from the church. You don't pay your bills, but you go on vacations, eat at Chuck E. Cheese constantly, and do your nails~but you take WIC because you cannot feed your own children, but complain about what the state gives you. Where do you teach your children gratitude and humility?

There is much more to raising children then breast feeding them until they go to kindergarten and taking them swimming. It is about teaching them how to do "the next right thing." You are a terrible mother, and a terrible role model.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:51:43 (EST)
Hello again, can't stay away:)

Cherokee- So let me ask you did you just discover that you were Indian or as an adult became more interested in your heritage? Not to say you were not interested before but I hope you get what I am meaning??? I am sorta going through that with my religion. I was raised Catholic but have not been a devout Catholic at any time of my life and decided to raise both of my children Catholic more out of comfort than a strong conviction. It is time for my son to make his first communion and I am really for the first time understanding the whole responsibility of what if means to be Catholic and choose to raise my children this way. Now I have just realized this in the last two days so I am not really evolved yet. I think it is wonderful that you even know what blood runs through you, I think I have German and Scottish, ect but I am not really sure and I find that sad for myself. I am sure there are ways to find out but I have not put any energy into it yet.

Saraj-What the heck is unschool?

Jennyg- I know your real we travel the same boards:)))

I just remember that I am supposed to bring snack for a.m. meeting and both of my kids are in bed. Sad thing is that I had to go to the Grocery tonight to buy my son Popped Popcorn for school tommorrow. I do hate it when I have no time to do something for Dillons school and if I don't do it I feel bad so we traipsed in the rain and I go and forget my breakfast stuff. I guess I will stop in the a.m., there has to be a donut store somewhere. I am new to this area so I am not sure what I will do, well I have to go.

Again have a great night, I will try to go to bed and not read again till morning, if I can, you gals are great

Kristin
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:48:14 (EST)
Sure, Saraj never insults. Although Cherokee seems to be one of her favorite targets. She's called her an Indian wanna-be, called her "brainwashed", and one of my favorites, told her "Ignorance is bliss, isn't it honey" clearly implying that Cherokee is ignorance. Saraj reacts very badly when appropriately challenged. And the women here dish it back (so do the men, but Saraj never nails them).

Jenny
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:44:28 (EST)
Oh , I missed the terrible mother thing ...

Yes, I am a terrible mother. I am terrible because I protect my children from the toxins in vaccines..the same toxins that no one knows what the long term effects are...

I am terrible because I love to spend time with my children, and I let them learn at their pace and their pwn personal level by helping them learn at home.

I am terible because I take them fishing, and swimming at the local lake when no one else ois there and we have the entire place to ourselves...peace and quiet, away fomr the tv and the video games.

I am terrible because I don't hide my children from the world. Yes, culture shock is always a good thing.

I am terrible becaseu I dedicated my life to my beautiful babies, and I breastfed them for years, and shared my bed with them so they feel secure and never allowed them to "cry it out" as infants.

I am terrible because I involve my children in modeling, not only becasue they are beautiful, but because they learn self love and security when they see what they can do, and the checks that come in their own names and that they can decide on how to save their money...yes, that is just a terrible thing.

I am terrible because I tell them I love them every day...I hug each one and even give massages before big days like a basketball game, or a karate tournament.

Yes, angela, I suppose I AM a terrible mommy. I'm also a terrible person... after all, I call you horrible names, and tell you you're stupid for believing in god, right? No, wait, that was what YOU IMAGINED.

I suppose there is not need for me to go on about how terrible of a mommy I am.

I am sure all of you get the point. ;-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:42:21 (EST)
Anybody going back in the archives knows exactly what I stand for, as well as Cherokee. The problems on our board started with you cookie, and they started around the Holidays just before Christmas. It is a very easy trend to spot. You don't think the webmaster sees that? I think you get rejected everywhere, in real life, and on message boards. That is why you get so defensive and nasty. You have never stood for anything GOOD in your life, thus you have never gotten any respect from anybody either. I cannot speak for Cherokee, but when I filed a complaint against you and julie's cyber antics I did not go to THEM. THEY came to me. The only person I am ever mean to is you. You are a bad and immoral person, and have no right raising children. You know it, and that's why you don't like me. Why you don't like Cherokee is because she calls you for what you are~~and you are a bigot. You can play "nice" with anybody you want to, but you have been given the cold shoulder on every board here. You are very transparent.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:41:54 (EST)
Sure, Saraj never insults. Although Cherokee seems to be one of her favorite targets. She's called her an Indian wanna-be, called her "brainwashed", and one of my favorites, told her "Ignorance is bliss, isn't it honey" clearly implying that Cherokee is ignorance. Saraj reacts very badly when appropriately challenged. And the women here dish it back (so do the men, but Saraj never nails them).

Jenny
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:40:30 (EST)
I thought you guys might like this joke!

One day, in line at the company cafeteria, Bob says to
Stanley behind him,"My elbow hurts like hell. I guess
I better see a doctor "Listen, you don't have to spend
that kind of money," Stan replies. "There's a
diagnostic computer down at WalMart. Just give it a
urine sample and the computer'll tell you what's
wrong and what to do about it. It takes ten
seconds and costs ten dollars...a lot cheaper than a
doctor."
So Bob deposits a urine sample in a small jar and
takes it to WalMart. He deposits ten dollars, and the
computer lights up and asks for the urine sample.
He pours the sample into the slot and waits. Ten
seconds later, the computer ejects a printout: "You
have tennis elbow. Soak your arm in warm water and
avoid heavy activity. It will improve in two weeks."
That evening while thinking how amazing this new
technology was, Jack began
wondering if the computer could be fooled. He mixed
some tap water, a stool
sample from his dog, urine samples from his wife and
daughter, and
masturbated into the mixture for good measure. Bob
hurries back to WalMart,
eager to check the results. He deposits ten dollars,
pours in his
concoction, and awaits the results.
The computer prints the following:
Your tap water is too hard. Get a water softener.
Your dog has ringworm. Bathe him with
anti-fungal shampoo.
Your daughter has a cocaine habit. Get her into rehab.

Your wife is pregnant. Twins. They aren't yours.
Get a lawyer.
If you don't stop playing with yourself, your elbow
will never get better.
Thank you for shopping at WalMart


traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:38:40 (EST)
saraj- My kids aren't in school yet, but I don't think because they will be going to a public school they will be robotic! That is ridiculous! That is why people get mad and offended because you say things like that!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:36:00 (EST)
See...name calling..it always resorts to name calling. It scares ne to think these womyn are raising children. Do you allow your children to name call because people are different than them? Or, are all of the children your child knows the exact same? Robotic, because of the public school they attend? I guess that would take care of the "name calling because they are different thing" to never come up.

No one is getting banned. Trust me, if anyone would be banned, it would be angela/cherokee/and whoever else they post as. It's all talk.


Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:33:01 (EST)
Oh saraj please~~all the other boards gave you the brush off, and iparenting is looking into banning you from the boards all together. I don't dislike anybody for their beliefs, I dislike your attitude. And you are a terrible mother, and have no business on a parenting board. The only way you can even post on any other board now is by using other names! Cherokee and I, as well as Kerri, Jennyg, and a few others have shown we NEVER change our names. We stick to our opinions no matter what. I said you were a pyscho back in December, long before anybody else did, remember? Now, you are not welcome on any of the boards, so don't even go at a new poster with your BS. Idiot.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:27:38 (EST)
That's career!lol
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:26:30 (EST)
I guess I have WAY too much time on my hands being a stay at home mom!LOL I want to go to school soon, but I'm still not sure what for-meaning carrer. I am very young so I still have time to figure that out. I really want to work with kids. I don't want to be a teacher tho. They have it was too hard and get underpaid in a lot of circumstances.I have also become fascinated with nurses. I would love to work in labor and delivery!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:26:04 (EST)
Hello moira and welcome.I was just being sarcastic when I said you would like it here if you aren't julie/wiccan/haley ect..
What kind of online group do you have? I have one, but the ladies only send messages once and a while.
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:21:40 (EST)
Moira~Welcome! We are ALL very nice people except when dealing with our one resident cyber terrorist. We would LOVE to have you! I have mulitples in my family too~I have twin sisters, twin brothers (yep! my mom had two sets!) and my grandmother was one of a set of triplets! A lot of us "meet" here pretty regularly, and we are very supportive of each other, and have a lot of great advice for each other. Just ignore saraj/julie/chloe/haley/et al. You'll figure out who she is pretty quickly. She's an idiot (and she IS the only person I refer to in that mean way...except for a poster named duke, and that was only once.) LOL.

Jennyg~What? I could not HEAR you! Hee!Hee! I'm kidding~~you go girl!

Kerri~I bought my hubby a wedding band too, also with no diamonds. His is a gold band with black onyx etching around the outside rims. Very simple, elegant, and classy.

Traci~I admire your resolve! That is the ultimate definition of a mother! Meaning you are keeping that baby, no matter if other's think you are crazy or not. A real mother sacrifices ALL for her children~the ones born or waiting to be born. Are you picking this up saraj?

Cherokee~Have a great doctor's appointment! Good luck with the "beans" first photo! :)


angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:20:34 (EST)
Ps...Cherokee and angela and some of the other names are most likely the same person. (Though I am being accused of this) This is probably so they can take a risk and be ultra cruel just in case someone really thinks they went overboard. But I'm just guessing.

I never post as anyone else HERE..I am always Saraj (which is my real name) However, the other gals like to use phoney names...even if they do post only once in a while.

I have used ASBA (which is part of my email address) on the breastfeeding board just in case some of these gals decided to stalk me.

I have made quite a few good cyber buddies here. One also homeschooled and we hsared addresses and we send things from eachother's states for our children. That was great!

Sadly, that same womyn does not like to come here because of the nastiness, but I stick around do they can't bully other mommies for being different than them. :-)


Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:16:52 (EST)
Moira --

If you're really Moira, I apologize whole-heartedly. I hate to make assumptions, but things have been a bit wild here lately. Welcome to the jungle!
MaryJ
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:11:41 (EST)
Moira~

Welcome. ( I think) You can make your own assumption...but, Cherokee, angela, and whoever else she wants to be tends to hate people who do not fit into her (their) conformities.

I am PRO-CHOICE, anti-vaccine, vegen, I use WIC, anti-circumcision, I belive firmly in unassisted home births, and I unschool my 4 children.

Oh yes, I also spell womyn with a "y" and I do not capitalize god.

SO, with all of that, I am hated...hated because I am different than them. See, they don't understand me, so it's easier to hate me...they don't feel confident in their own lives and their own choices so they attack me for mine. I never once attacked them for theirs, but I am starting to give a little of their garbage back and they hate it.

On a lighter note, I hope you will find your answers here, if you have questions that is, and i hope you will find some decent adult ladies here to chat with.

Just for the record, I accept everyone for who they are. I don't judge anyone for their life choices.

Again, welcome! :-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:11:25 (EST)
Thanks Cherokee. Wow i looked back and man what did I step into! LOL Oh well. I promise not to start anything here. Geez I can't believe how just unclassy some people can be. I do have to say that I am very happily married!!!! I love being married to such a wonderful man. Oh I won't even go there on the other issues. Can't wait to get to know you!! :)
Moira
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 21:06:29 (EST)
Moira..we would love to have you here! We some issues on this board right now...a cyber stalker named saraj/julie/wiccan/choloe/haley, and a few others we know nothing about. If you are one to enjoy a loud talk show..read on below..it will be good for a laugh and you will see what we mean...no offense taken by you I hope. We are very suspicious right now. Iparenting is working on banning their ip address, so the site will be blocked to "them" in the future.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:55:10 (EST)
I am sorry did I miss something? I am a mom of twin three month old girls who is just looking for other moms to talk to. I am a stay at home mom in Ca. Just was hoping to chat thats all. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I have a website if you all don't believe me and I will leave my email address if that makes you all feel more comfortable. I see that someone causes trouble here. I really hope to be able to talk to you all here.
Moira
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:47:03 (EST)
BTW..sorry to hear about your son. We had a baby come into the Er one night who was only eight weeks old, after he died (he came in in a full arrest in his mother's arms)it was determined that he had sepsis secondary to a uti..he was preemie, had surgeries and had a catheter...oh... Broke my heart that one. It was the first time I did CPR on a baby that small. A lot of people don't realize who treacherous uti's and kidney infection can be to little people.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:36:16 (EST)
Sure I'll explain it -

I'm native American and saraj is a racist bigot. She knows I have been researching my heritage and have changed my ethnicity and I am legally changing my name in honor of my tribe.

She is an atheist pro-abortion zealot who thinks all of us HAPPY wives don't know any better than to put faith in God, enjoy our "false" marriages, respect all life and not use abortion instead of a birthcontrol pill or diaphragm, and we are all ignorant. She thinks we are all repressed and brainwashed and because more than one of us agree with the same opinion on this board (an opinion that just happens to be opposite hers...)now we are all "conformists" too LOL!! Most of us are thoroughly annoyed with her. I would stay out of it if I were you. There is no middle of the road with saraj...if you agree with her..you are her best friend, if you don't: you are a conformist, fairytale worshipping (she calls reglion fairytales)facist. LMAO.

If you want to know the drill, scroll down.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:31:46 (EST)
You all write more in one day than the other boards I post on do in one week. The debating on her is good for a chuckle:)

If my son had not been circumsized(SP)he would have probably died from Kidney Reflux. I am happy that for just that reason I let them take the little clip.

If there is a video out there trying to sway people not to do it just remember anything can be made to look worse than it is.

I have never even met a man who has not been circumsized. If it takes away less feeling for a man???? They seem to be doing OK from where I am sitting:)

I love the debate on here.

I have missed something somewhere and can't figure out why they are calling Cherokee(I am assuming) an Indian wanna be?? Please explain this to me.

The mud slinging around this place is fascinating, like a good soap it keeps you coming back:)

Looking forward to getting to know all of you. Saraj-you sound like a pistol, not sure yet if that is good or bad????

Have a great night all:)
Kristin
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:22:06 (EST)
Kerri- I only have to take one shot a day. Eventually they will switch me to regular heparin so I can have an epidural!!!! They normally induce, but since both of mine were born early they can't.So we will be playing the guessing game trying to figure out when I switch to heparin.I know there are a lot of ladies that do the shots twice a day. I think they are so brave. I can't do that!!! I hate doing the one!
I was on coumadin after they found the blood clot. I bruised SO bad on that stuff.Especially when I was in the hospital and they had me on IV heparin and coumadin.OUCH- they had to draw blood every 6 hours, and I was in there for two weeks. My arm was BLACK! It looked like I was beaten with a baseball bat on my arm..LOL It hurt so bad when they had to draw blood, because they had to start taking it from the sides of my arms. The veins in the middle were just too bruised.
Glad that's over! Thankyou for saying that it means a lot! Some people think I am selfish for putting my life indanger when I have two kids! But I love ALL my kids even if they aren't born yet!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:18:06 (EST)
Hey Miss Kerri!

Yes! I'm feeling good (did get a bit queasy this am before I ate..)but other than that life is good!...Hey mama....I'm still going to work! ;) I'll be working nights...so the babes won't be in daycare..also, I think I am going to accept a shift of 7-3am. Piece of cake. School is still the plan. DH is on board 100% so along as we stay committed it will all still happen!
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:15:17 (EST)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS THIS..

SARAJ..JULIE..WHOEVER THE HELL YOU ARE..OR WANT TO BE FOR THAT MATTER...

YOU SIT AND INSULT, AND BELITTLE, WHY NOT REPLY TO MY POST FROM THE OTHER DAY????

AFRAID???

BRING IT ON MORON???

YOU SEEM TO BE A BIT OF A LIFELESS PIECE OF SH*T...

OH WAIT EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT YOU LIVE AT CHUCKEE CHEESE...SCUMBAG!!!!

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!!
YOU ARE A RUDE AND DISGUSTING PIECE OF DUST.

I COULD SIT HERE AND INSULT YOU ALL NIGHT LONG...IT IS NOT VERY HARD....

BUT I UNLIKE YOU...HAVE A LIFE..I DO NOT LET MY CHILDREN SIT IN FRONT OF A TV WHILE I SIT AND PICK ON A COMPUTER...

I SO LOVE HOW YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER...OR SMARTER...YOU GET OFF ON ALL THIS BANTER..DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WORD MEANS??? BECAUSE I COULD USE SIMPLE CHILDLIKE TERMS FOR YOU...

KEEP COMIN BACK...
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN SIT AND TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY..IN REALITY ALL OF THE NORMAL WELL EDUCATED WOMEN ON HERE FEEL BAD FOR A CLASSLESS PIECE OF TRASH SUCH AS YOURSELF.
THE WAY YOU ACT, YOU ARE MOST LIKELY SOME LITTLE HIGH SCHOOL GIRL MAKING STORIES UP AS SHE GOES ALONG...I PITY YOU....

BUT I DO REMEMBER THIS ONE THING....ALL GARBAGE ENDS UP IN THE TRASH....THAT IS YOUR DESTINY..

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT LADIES....AND I MEAN THAT TERM TO THOSE WHO DESERVE IT...
jennyg
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:11:28 (EST)
Angela-Your post regarding Chris Stephenson is hilarious!Great statement regarding your husband and his ability to provide his duties as a husband! And why should they not buy us rings...it is the least they can do when we do the childbearing/rearing! I bought my husband a wedding band as well (without diamonds per his request). My husband was wonderful with the way he proposed. He surprised me with a trip to Vermont and we stayed at a bed and breakfast in the mountains for two nights. We were walking by the lake (during foliage) and in the most beautiful area he stopped walking, got down on one knee and held in his had the most gorgeous diamond ring and a hand written love letter. He asked me to be his wife and amongst all the tears I think I said "of course"! About 10 minutes later a couple was walking by and asked us if we just became engaged, we laughed and said "yes", so they said "we HAVE to take your picture", we let them and it now is framed in a 5x7 on the night stand...the third best day of my life!

Cherokee-how are you feeling? Have you made any decisions regarding the work situation?

Traci, the bruising you talk about is normal with Lovenox. Because of the medication, you don't have quite as many "clotting" factors working like you normally do, so as a result you bruise very easily...just like if you were on Coumadin (another blood thinner). Do you have to give yourself injections twice a day for the entire pregnancy?
I respect you for keeping your pregnancy going while others advised you to terminate. Cherokee was in a similar situation, I believe. It takes a very strong person to go through what you are going through. Too bad another person on this board couldn't learn a little something from you!

I am against gays marrying. I think it is an awful thing to do to a child, if they choose to have any.
Kerri
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:08:04 (EST)
It does sound a little like julie, but we don't know for sure, so I am giving her the benefit of the doubt!Not that I am special..LOL. I am just being cautious.
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 20:00:42 (EST)
Moira's tone is saraj in nice mode -- "ladies."

MaryJ
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:54:41 (EST)
Moira- As long as you aren't julie/chloe/wiccan ect,, You will like it here. LOL
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:50:15 (EST)
Saraj- I wanted to know how old is your son that you let watch this show? I watch it from time to time. I find it funny SOMETIMES, but definatly innapropriat for young children. They tend to do as they see. I know I don't want my son beating up my husband, or jumping off my roof!!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:49:28 (EST)
Hello. I am new here. Just wanted to chat with some moms out there. This is my first time here. Just found this board. Hope to get to know you ladies!!
Moira
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:48:44 (EST)
Ellie~Thank you for the compliment! Actually, in saraj's world if you do not agree with her and stand up to her, she accuses you of being a conformist. If you happen to share a belief/opinion with someone else you are a butt kisser. If you insult her you are rude/mean. She is an idiot. And for the record, if you go back in the archives I am rarely mean to anybody. Just saraj and the julie clones. I have made a career out of empathy and compassion, but like I told saraj/julie/molly last week~~If your child is ever in crisis, needing an advocate, I AM the rude/mean/opinionated "B" you want looking out for their best interests. The only people who are made nervous/defensive by me in MY world are poor/negligent parents, which is WHY saraj/julie/et al. feel the need to "take me down a notch." Like I said, they are bad mother's, by the information THEY give out, and are not fit to mother a litter of puppies, let alone babies.

Cherokee~~Saraj is a "vegan" so she really cannot eat government cheese (animal products you know.) It is not good enough for her, but she'll make her children eat it.

Saraj~Actually, I monitor my kid's TV viewing, but I don't censor it as much as you would think. Children hear most "language" by the time they are in first grade anyway. GASP! I don't let them watch T & A stuff, and they are a bit young for Jack@$$, but yes, they are allowed pretty open access to the television. Is Jack@$$ part of your Unschooling program? Idiot.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:33:05 (EST)
Saraj also seems to have this mistaken belief that if one doesn't agree with her, then that person hasn't done their research. Personally, that's offensive. I've been a "challenger" all of my life, and I make very few decisions because "authority figures" have told me what I should do. I make decisions because I know the facts and I know what I have determined to be the best course of action for me.
Ellie
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:15:59 (EST)
Thank you Ellie! We are all very suspicious..and no, I didn't mean any insult at all. I'm getting tired of the head games as you are I am sure...

I do think it is insulting that saraj thinks that none of you can make up your own minds! My goodness, grown women don't need to conform...especially on a pretty anonymous message board. It's insulting (like she does with her abortion beliefs and everything else) that she thinks none of us know what we really want, and cannot make up our own minds about or opinions and belief. I have tried several times to come along side her...when there have been some things we have in common...but no...she wants ugly I'll give her ugly.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:11:10 (EST)
Good luck with your doctors appointment.I love ultrasounds!!!!!!!!! Just not those t.v. ones!! I love that soup. It is better than menudo!! Mmmmmmmm sounds so good!!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:06:53 (EST)
A question for you, Saraj. You stated today that your husband is circumcised but that you didn't make that same mistake with your boys. On January 15, you posted that your oldest son is circumcised. So which is it: you "made the mistake" with your boys or you didn't?

And Cherokee, let me be very clear. I most definitely AM NOT Saraj and I'm not Julie. I'm sure you meant no insult when you suggested it. But I did want you to know for sure that I am neither. I've been Ellie for 43 years and I only post here as Ellie. And just so Saraj understands, I don't find you and angela mean or rude. I respect your opinions (even if they sometimes differ from mine) and I'm frequently entertained by your insights. Now she can accuse me of kissing up to the two of you because I'm afraid you won't like me. So be it.

Ellie
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:05:26 (EST)
Well mis amigas, I am off...dh is feeling better as is Esai...I have dinner on (ever had pazole? it is a spicey mexican soup) I got my MIL's recipe and made it for dh today..it has to cook all day and I put it on at 10am...should be yummy)

Tomorrow at 9am is my dr appt..very excited! I get my little ultrasound and see the baby bean...I don't think that I could have kept it a secret from everyone here if I didn't tell you ladies..thanks to those for the encouragement..to the nasty poster..again BITE ME!

Catch ya later...enjoy your government cheese saraj. idiot.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 19:03:51 (EST)
Oh please..Figures you WOULD let him watch it...that's the kind of un-mother you are..besides..you didn't have to tell us LMAO...we already knew...when all your kids end up on welfare, or thieves, with 3 abortions under their belt in addition to the runny-nosed kids they can't support...you'll be the grandma with the wistful sigh and : "geeeeee where did I go wrong?"

Angela~good one;P
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:59:14 (EST)
Saraj~NO? LOL! Look again!
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:55:32 (EST)
My oldest son is HILARIOUS! Anyone ever watch Jacka**? You know Party Boy? He tears off his button up pants and says he feels like partying (he wears undies) well, my son just got a pair of those and he did that EXACTLY like the guy.

Now, I kno my son, I know he's being funny, I know what is going on here...I bet angoe and Cherokee have all negative things to say about me allowing my son to watch that show. Instead of being cool and accepting, they will just complain at how terrible it is that he watches it.

And, maybe to prove me wrong, they won't comment...but we all know what they WANT to say! ;-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:51:56 (EST)
angie~ when did I mock your beliefs? I don't recall when...remind me. And my a** isn't being kicked honey pie. I'm just having some fun with you rude gals. Giving you a taste of your own meds, nothing more, nothing less.
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:49:01 (EST)
I actually have to do the same. I have to clean up first. My kids decided to dump out a whole box of cereal(frosted flakes)on the floor..UGH!So after I am done beating them..LOL(just kidding)I will make dinner!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:37:46 (EST)
Well mi amigas~~I have to go make dinner for my family. I guess I can show them my love by taking them to Chuck E. Cheeses three times a week for spinach~~do they take foodstamps there? We actually love our children though and enjoy having a family meal (that we provided for them)with them at home. (Ladies and Gents~don't take that to mean that going out to eat dinner is bad. Just when you take them out to eat vegan at Chuck E. Cheeses every other day.) TC all, and catch you later.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:30:34 (EST)
I just hope people stop posting as other people!! Even if they use fake names, then whatever. I just don't want to see anyone elses name up there with hateful wishing under it!! I do know it is still possible for someone to come back and do another horrible thing! I just hope iparenting takes care of it!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:22:47 (EST)
I saw some of it from the last one. It almost made me decide not to post.I thought the talk show ones were funny. I did however find the posting as other people stupid and sickening!It really went too far with this last one. I honestly think Julie/haley/wiccan/chloe..LOL
Made the fake Cherokee post.
I don't think julie and saraj are the same tho. They write differently.I have paid attention to the way "julie" writes.It is easy to spot!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:20:20 (EST)
Actually saraj/julie/et al get nasty with just about everybody here. Racist too if they don't get their way. Most of the people here are hard working, intelligent, wives, husbands, mothers, and fathers. Saraj/julie could not be decent mothers to a litter of puppies~~they are both just EVIL humans, and it shows. Especially when they get upset, and have tantrums. Stick around, it will get better.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:18:18 (EST)
Traci~Oh I know! "I don't want everybody to hate me..." or "I don't want people to be mean to me..." You should have SEEN the things little miss dainty said to Cherokee and I on the LAST topic! We had to divide and conquer~~Cherokee took saraj and HER clones, and I took on Julie and HER clones! You can see how angry saraj and Julie/haley/wiccan/chloe/etc. still are with us~~they got "showed up for fools." It was not hard though, as they do it to themselves.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:15:56 (EST)
Traci~She'll be back as someone else.

Cherokee~~"I know all about people like you and angie" boo-hoo, sob, sob. SHEESH. How can you be loud on a message board? Does she mean she knows all about people who make her feel inferior intellectually, making her defensive? Instead of getting off her @$$, and making something respectable of herself, it is all sniffles, hiccups, "the whole world is mean and against me", sarcasm, etc. etc. SHEESH! SARAJ~ Go back to school, get a decent job, lose the lazy @$$ husband who does not love her OR the children enough to do right by them, and become a WOMAN in the real sense of the word! Shoot! We are all entitled to our beliefs, but if we don't agree with hers, she MOCKS ours, and cries when she get her ass kicked? Her own neighbors come on the board and dis her~I'd rather have all my neighbors just HATE me, before I would want them to find me as disgusting as her neighbors obviously find her. UGH!
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:11:32 (EST)
It just shows how sick she is the way she taunted- Ya finally figured it out!!UGH!!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:08:23 (EST)
Well I see her true colors are coming out! She gets pretty mad doesn't she?
Being kind of an outsider and reading all of the things I did lastnight, I have really started to notice how she almost asks for an argumanet. I really think she enjoys it. Oh and I was the one who posted about Haley being Julie. I got sick of her acting all sweet.
I knew who she was from the beginning.Everything she says is so childish!It comes through every time!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:07:17 (EST)
Well you will never know how nice I am saraj...you are not worthy of my frienship...not with your attitude.

Again...I would never be jealous (WHAT IS THAT>>LOL) of someone who is clearly in such dire straits...indeed..makes me so thankful to GOD that I made the choices I have for the beautiful, bountiful and blessed life that is mine, dh's and our childrens'.
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:04:44 (EST)
Be right back...gotta run to the store...

I'll be BAAAACK!

Thanks for the talks guys...girls...whatever.
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:03:39 (EST)
Cherokee is my name and heritage. My name will be officially changed through the court system at the same time my ethnicity is changed from "caucasian" to "native American" Yeahhhhh ME!
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:02:53 (EST)
I never mocked anyone...you choose not to like me because of my life's beliefs. You have no respect for anyone else. You are loud and rude, and scary. You are not nice here, and probably not nice anywhere else. You feel threatend by me here because I am not falling into your conformity. I know all about people like you and angie.

No biggy..I can handle it all just fine.
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:02:44 (EST)
That is the best you have cookie? You have used it many times, with several women. PROJECTING!!!! Silly boo-boo. LOL!
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:01:39 (EST)
I spent a lot of time going through the archives trying to figure out how all of this got started.I have to say this is the most upset I have seen saraj!
The question I have is, why hasn't she said "I didn't post as Cherokee" or "I have not posted under fake names"?
That is why I would think you did it!
I usually see her post with sly remarks. Like she is not trying to be rude just a smart ass, but it comes out rude everytime.
Where did julie/haley go? Now that has to be one of the most immature people I have encountered on the internet!! What a sicko!
traci
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:00:38 (EST)
Try to stick with me here saraj...when someone becomes annoying on public message board (you have), puts down others decisions in a mocking way (fairytale bs, gooney weedings, fall for the wedding ring all the little things your husband never respected you enough to give you)you are going to be asked to leave. NOBODY argued with your right to an abortion, unschooling, or whatever soapbox you stand on...until you started your MOCKERY of what WE have just as much right to believe in...So I believe in GOD, so I love my wedding ring (dh picked out for me and I love it)so WHAT! You claim that everyone is different, and in the next sentence ridicule them. So...that is where I started taking issue with you...I have a cousin you died in Iraq at the hands of Saddam's army...defending assholes like you...you have to learn that the way you say things here, is what gets you into trouble. I didn't need to TELL on you..if I was spokesmom and had deleting rights I would have kicked your ass out long ago...myself. But I don't...so I contacted the one that does. You annoy most everyone here...
Cherokee
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:00:01 (EST)
Racist remarks will get you booted from the board cookie. Ask Julie/Shaniqua. She's getting banned too.
angela
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 17:59:38 (EST)
Hey angie~ I understand that you may be jealous of me, and you have every right...I don't blame you, but next time you are jealous of someone, try to keep it less obvious. ;-)
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 17:58:56 (EST)
Sorry, Ellie..I spell womyn as I do...I will always do this...
Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 17:57:45 (EST)
Use your own name girl...Cherokee? WHAT IS THAT anyway????


Saraj
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 17:57:12 (EST)