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What movie do you feel deserves the Academy Award? The nominees are: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King; Lost in Translation; Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World; Mystic River; and Seabiscuit.

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Aren't the Academy Awards done...new question!
Oscar
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 21:52:48 (EST)
Hello All

I just thought I would stop in and say Marie and Ryan are doing very well.

Marie seperated her symphasis bone and is having a hard time getting around.
But Ryan is perfect and health.


I imagine she will post her pics of him soon.


have a good night


jennyg
email: babiesspokesmom@hotmail.com
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 21:14:36 (EST)
Cherokee--I don't know if you want to know my opinion on your little guy...I am one of those people who avoid the doctor/hospital at all costs! The only reason I bring myself or my family to a doctor is if I know for a fact they need an antibiotic and we have to be seen for the Rx.
I also do not do medication unless the symptoms are unbearable. If a fever is over 101, I do the Tylenol/Advil mix. When it is lower, I just let the body do the work. As for antihistamines, I would only give those if breathing is at all a concern, especially if he is a nose breather. I know I am not much help for you, but I do hope the little guy gets better real soon! I know you need your sleep for school and work! Good luck hon! :)
Kerri
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 19:30:03 (EST)
Awww Cherokee.. I hope the lil man is better soon :) My lil man had the fever and stuff last week, then early this AM woke up puking, not fun. Why doesn that always happen on the work nights? lol
Julie.. my comment on the movie wasnt towards anyone inparticular, just what I heard from the reviews of it. I hope you didnt think I was referring to you :)
Lyne
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 16:17:22 (EST)
Please, don't anyone get the impression that I think the movie is anti-semetic. I am merely saying that I could see how someone Jewish may interpret it that way.
Julie
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 15:35:18 (EST)
Hey Lyne..my boy is sick too. We had a very long night last night. I was doing assignments until 2:30am..he had gotten up a few times before that coughing but dh got up with him so that I could keep working. I finally laid down around 3am and Esai was up at 4:30, coughing and crying. I turned up humidifier, but he seemed to want to stay up. He is an easy baby when he is sick, such a sweet little guy. But now I am dealing with him all day (but that's motherhood I guess huh?)and I have to work at 7pm tonight. Uggghh to that. Well..healthy vibes all around TC!
Cherokee
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 15:04:37 (EST)
I was waiting for the bashing to start, regarding the move Passion. My son was sick, and I was not able to go, my daughter did go with her youth group. She said it was so good, ( she used all of her tissues! ).. It was a great experience for her to see it. The Youth group had a get-together after the movie so everyone could discuss it and ask any questions they might have. I think it was a wonderful experience for her, and the adults that I spoke with that went with the youth group said it was NOT antisematic at all. They also said, even tho its in 2 languages, its not hard to follow at all. I cant wait to be able to see it! Hi's to everyone :)
Lyne
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 14:21:02 (EST)
Hello everyone!

About the Passion. I thought it was the best, most powerful movie I have ever seen.It touched me so much that I still cry when I see trailors for the video, and I still flinch when I see them whip him.
I didn't see anything bad about the movie towards jews at all. As a matter of fact when he was making his walk up to calvary there were plenty of "jews" crying begging them to stop, and saying he was a holy man.
Another powerful and important part of the movie was the way the devil tried to tell him not to do it in the beginning and followed him around the whole movie.
It was just a wonderful movie. It was heartbreaking, but it shows you the greatest love there is.
I never really thought of what mary went through watching that happen to her son.


Kerri- Well my parents were divorced when it happened.My mom was sad, but she did ok.She never resented us, but she wasn't there for us like we needed her to be.It was like everyone was so caught up in their own grief that they forgot he even had children. So we comforted eachother. I did most of the comforting because I was the oldest.It was such a hard time in my life. I had just gotten married and moved away, and just found out I was pregnant.So I had to hold a lot in, because I didn't want to lose the pregnancy,plus I was bleeding a little. I'm glad I had my son, he kept me sane.
The only person anyone ever had anger at was my dad. My mom was mad at him, his parents were mad at him, and we were mad at him.It takes a while to forgive someone when they do that. One of my brothers who is now 17(13 at the time) is still angry and cannot forgive right now.I can't explain what it does to a family, but it tears it apart. I just hope her parents don't blame the husband and so on. The thing people never realize is that no matter what, they made the decision on their own. People always need to have someone to blame, but you can only blame the person.
It takes time to understand how sad and lonely they really were. How much they struggled with living. It is really so sad.
I don't think he will resent that baby at all.He will love him and have that memory of her. I hope he grows up without anger and realizes that his mother was so sick that suicide was the only way out in her eyes, and that he was good enough.
I still struggle to this day with all of the what if's.
traci
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 14:18:27 (EST)
Hi guys.....
I haven't seen the Passion, however I have heard alot about it. I am hoping to see it sometime this week, if I can make time this week. Ihave an interview for acceptance to the university education program I am enrolling in (trying to, only 30 spots open), and have an apt with my advisor, plus observation hours to do, plus.... lol.
Anyhow, I have heard from many people that it is NOT anti-semetic (sp??) and that if portrays that we ALL are responsible for the death of Christ. My pastor made a really good point yesterday. He said that a) according to the Bible, those responsible for turning in Christ were indeed Jewish. He also said that Jewish people shouldn't be upset about the movies, because we certainly have publicized their plight from WW2 and supported them. Ok, I was at first a little put off by that comment, but then he went on to add that Father God is the only one responsible for the death of Christ, so there should be no blame and no guilt. Then he went into the whole difference between Jewish, Mormon and Christian religions and gave a wonderful sermon on who Christ was, with many Bible references. There were some new faces in the audience ;-)

I guess I should go, I have a kitchen that is half way clean, and laundry to fold, and only an hour before I leave for class.

These are the last 3 weeks of the quarter, it is starting to close in on me!!
Margarita
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 13:57:27 (EST)
Nobody is saying we should blame Jews for the crucifiction of Christ. Geez. The entire country, including Christ, was Jewish, so everyone was a Jew. And yes, I think all Christians who have read the Bible (I myself was raised in parochial school my entire life)are aware of the political aura at the time of the cruicifiction. The point was...would the movie create "anti semititic" stirrings as a result of seeing the movie. NOBODY is blaming the Jews. Geez. Here we go..
Cherokee
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 13:29:12 (EST)
Hi all-

I'm so glad that "The Passion" touched you in such a way Julie. Everyone that "I" know in the states that have seen the movie said that it was not anti-Semitic and that, if anything, “they” focused on the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for mankind.

Bonita-

I got your email; hope you have a wonderful and blessed day at work. Also, I wanted to say that I fully agree with you. You know people were applauding Denzel Washington and Halle Berry for being the first African-Americans who received Oscars for that mess that they put on the screen. "Monster's Ball" and "Training Day" was a bunch of sex, alcohol and violence. I’m sick and tired of people applauding this type of mess. Big Deal!

My son said that "Monster's Ball" (because I didn't go see it) was about Halle Berry and her child who was fat and she fell in love with this white cop. So what!??!! O.k. I see that all day in the military. Big Deal! He said that "Training Day" was about a crooked cop who sold drugs. Again, so what?!!

Bravo to Mel Gibson for having the courage, (because it does take courage to take a Christian stance) to produce a movie that shows Jesus' sacrifice even for those who don't trust and want to get to know him personally (spiritual level).

Shawanda
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:56:03 (EST)
I just saw "The Passion". I read some reviews and heard lots of cries of anti-semitism and so I was curious to see what everyone was talking about. (I minored in religion in college, so I do have some clue about religion and history.) I did not feel that the movie was anti-sementic but instead showed the political controversy of the time. Yes, the Pharosies were pushing for the crucifiction and of course the audience that was present supported their stance. However, not everyone felt the same way. In fact, if you supported Jesus or at least didn't support a crucifiction, you would have been punished. This is was not a time of free speach and peaceful demostration. We must remember, that the first Christians were Jews. Jews can not be blamed for the crucifiction without the credit for the beginning of Christianity.
Catherine
email: csharp60201@yahoo.com
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:34:01 (EST)
Sorry for the typo-s folks, I'm workin' on little sleep. :0)
Cherokee
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 11:41:58 (EST)
In the Bible, the Pharisees are consistently rebuked by Jesus for their self-righteousness. Also, based on the Bible, it indicates what you just wrote. The Pharisees were holier than thou and yes they were Jewish. Again, my point is, they can't change that history anymore than Germans can change what the Nazis did to the Jews. I think it is not fair that Jewish people everywhere can have all of these Holocaust movies (again, I'm going to get into trouble probably)about how they were victimized by the Germans and even as early as the 1600's by the Spaniards, but history shows that Pharisees and Jews were responsible for the conviction and crucifiction of Christ and now they want to scream "anti-semitism!". You can't change history! Nearly every ethnic group has it's notariety, yes?

On another subject...I consider myself somewhat educated (though some think I am ignorant LMAO);), but I just wrote a history paper on the subject of European exporation in the early North Americas. I learned the REAL story of John Smith...he was a real pr*&%!! Certainly not gallant honorable man Miss Pocahontas went ass over teakettle for...as depicted by Disney..another example of Hollywood trying to rewrite history. Shame on them for that. I would have been none the wiser if I hadn't take this class. I'm pretty savvy as to the plight of the Cherokee tribe, obviously, but this was something I didn't know. (I need to get OUT more :0) I think there are probably only a few sources that are considered reliable in history, such as the Bible, and actual historians' and explorers' accounts of what happened. I believe the Passion of Christ is reliable, in that it is very Biblically based.
Cherokee
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 11:39:55 (EST)
Hmmmm...this forum is starting to feel a like a party where hardly anyone shows up, know what I mean?
Julie
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 11:25:22 (EST)
The way the movie is done, I can see how Jews would feel it's anti-semantic. In the movie, the Pharisees (Jewish leaders) were the ones that insisted that Jesus be crucified. They were the first to suggest that he be crucified and then the crowd followed by chanting "Crucify him!". In the movie, the Pharisees are clearly egging the crowd on. Pilate at first orders Jesus to be punished but not killed. The Romans scourge him and he is brought to Pilate again. The Pharisees again are the first to say "Crucify him!" and then crowd then follows. I'm not sure exactly how it happened in the Bible. I have to research it, but in this movie the Pharisees are the ones who keep insisting that Jesus be crucified, not the general crowd.
Julie
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 11:04:51 (EST)
You are right Cherokee. I agree fully.
Isn't funny how political correctness can make a true movie bad to the critics, but going against God's word, and depicting sex and violence in other ways to please the masses of unChristian, can be considered right?
Well, I'm off to work.
Have a good day, everyone.
Bonita
email: muzicdiva777@hotmail.com
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 10:55:39 (EST)
Julie`regarding the movie The Passion of The Christ...which I hope to see but in reality it will be when it is on video...I don't see how I can go to the movies right now...:0)...I found it very interesting and somewhat curious that many critics touted it as a "death trip" and "harboring gratuitous violence" very negative things to say that would surely be said to sway the population from seeing it. I would like those same critics who say these things about the this movie, rationalize how a movie that pictures historically a true story (and...probably going to get into a trouble here...)I'm sorry but a crow of Jews and Romans DID pressure Pontius Pilate incessantly to execute Christ...no matter how much the Jewish community doesn't want to be "depicted" that way..it is reality. Certainly no more than modern day Germans want to be associated with Nazi Germany. So back to what I was saying: what makes "The Passion of the Christ" a "gratuitous death trip" compared to say "Braveheart" (pulling out a man's entrails while he was alive? pretty graphic)or movies given the epic label like "Pulp Fiction" or "Kill Bill" or "Die Hard" and the gazillion sequels...I'll tell you what my take on it is...what separates these movies is that "The Passion.." will pull together Christians (and maybe some Jews) together globally, maybe even re-start alot of faith in humans everywhere. That might becausing a few "agendas" to go: "OH NO!!"
Cherokee
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 10:42:18 (EST)
You are right Kerri~when people who love them so much are left behind, you have to wonder what they were thinking. But they aren't thinking clearly at all, no one in their "right" mind, I suppose, has thought that aspect of suicide through. I mean, if they fully understood how hurt those around them would be, it would make them think twice. I'll try not to violate HIPPA here...we had a 23 year old girl who was constantly "attempting", finally, someone in her family Titled 36'd her, and she got the treatment she needed. She "tried" to commit suicide for 2 years before they saw that one of these days she would be able to "get it right" and that would be the end of her. Such a dark subject, the human mind.

Kerri, also, what do you know about pharyngitis? I'm thinking about taking Esai in to the doc today...he is very hoarse to the point that when he cries sometimes, no sound comes out. He is running low grade temp 99.9-101.3. I'm doing ibuprofen/expectorant antihistamine. His cough was loose yesterday, but definitely is tighter this am. I listened to lungs with my steth yesterday and this am, no real change...what would you do?
Cherokee
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 10:15:46 (EST)
I think the depression started well before she had the baby unfortunately. But having the baby, lack of sleep, lack of family present, stressed out dh who was studying and worried about how to support his new family, was just too much for her to handle. I feel it was a very selfish action, but I don't know how else to view it. What goes on in someones mind as they are hurting themselves like this? We see "attempts" all the time in ther ER, but it is 99% of the time just a cry for help and attention...the ones who really want to die, do it right the first time. I feel for you Traci who lost her father at a young age. What did your mother do? How is she now? I worry that my friend's spouse might resent the innocent baby...is that a far off assumption?
Ok ...onto happier thoughts...
Happy March!
Kerri
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 09:54:15 (EST)
The topic started off so light hearted and now we're talking about depression and suicide...it's enough to make a person, well...depressed.

The Passion of the Christ was nothing like what I expected. I loved the movie. It touched me on a level that I am just beginning to comprehend. And regarding all the critics who said the movie is just violence, they are exaggerating. There is so much more to this movie. You see what Pontius Pilate goes through, the Disciples, and most of all, what Mary, mother of Jesus, went through. I'm sure this movie touches men as well, but I'm telling you, as a mother, you will be touched very deeply.
As a Christian, this movie made me realize the enormous sacrifice that Jesus made. It made me realize that all my little daily complaints are petty when compared to what Jesus went through. It made me realize that I take this civilized world for granted. I could probably go on and on about how this movie affected me. It just reaches you on so many different levels.
Julie
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 07:57:05 (EST)
Hi anyone out there?

LMAO..thought I would check in and see if someone was out there who keeps my hours...Margarita??? :0)

Better try to get some sleep-I think *maybe* had a little too much cafe this evening.

TC everyone!

:0)
Cherokee
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 04:49:38 (EST)
Kerri- My prayers are with her family. I lost my father to suicide. It was a long and hard road of alchoholism and depression.It is a very hard thing to deal with when someone kills themselves. There is a lot of anger involved. It takes a while to forgive that person.I am 22 and able to do that.I was 18 at the time, my sister 16, my other brother was 13, and my youngest brother at the time was 7. It was the hardest on us children. It made us feel as if we weren't good enough for him to want to live. Now I know he was in a horrible dark place. He could not go on, in his mind. They say a person who commits suicide dies once, but the survivors die a thousand deaths. It is so true, and I will keep her family in my prayers for a long time.
I also hope you are doing ok too kerri!!
traci
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 01:45:38 (EST)
Hey - afternoon all!

Had a busy weekend working overnights so I was trying to catch on all of the happenings with my friends.

First of all....MARIE!! Wooohooo happy baby birthday girl..I'm so pleased everything went well...I wish a quick recovery for you and hope for your son all the best in life! God Bless!

Kerri~my friend I am so sorry for your loss! I cannot imagine being in such a horrible place after having a baby, that poor soul! Her husband must be beside himself...I pray that he has many friends like you to come along side him through this time. Gosh, it makes my heart hurt thinking about it.
That poor woman.

Shawanda~I'm with you. We are all judgemental over each other's mothering...if you place a chemical imbalance on top of that...a woman can really spiral downward into depression and it will look so bleak to her that anything can (and does) happen. Andrea Yates was an extreme example, it was a monstrous thing she did...but I couldn't help but feel such pity...she had a history of depression for long before each one of those babies kept coming. We could all say "what we would do" in that situation, but truth be told, we don't know how awful that can be (thank GOD). You don't even know you are in that place.

Bin Laden is caught? I'm so OUT of the loop...I didn't hear anything about it...sheesh I need to get with the program.

Well I need to run, I have two more essays that are due by tomorrow night. I have to work tomorrow night so that need to be DONE tonight...baby boy is sick AGAIN!! A croupy cough..I don't know where this crud comes from...probably me this time LOL! Doing the steam room thing and expectorant/ibuprofen cocktail. Any suggestions Kerri? You know how PARANOID I am about RSV.

Hi Angela, Ellie, Julie and Tracie and one anyone else I missed! TC Everyone!

Cherokee
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 19:30:38 (EST)
tragedy
kerri
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 15:17:41 (EST)
Thank you everyone. It is truly a tradegy...she committed suicide and was found in the bathroom of a bagel shop. :( I just feel so awful for her husnbad right now...

We were supposed to go to a charity ball last night that was cancelled on account of the death. Since my MIL was here to babysit anyway, we figured best to go out and do something...anything. We attempted to see The Passion, but it was sold out for the last three showings! That really must be a good movie.
Hopefully next week we will see it.
Kerri
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 15:17:12 (EST)
Oh, and I can't really respond to the subject of postpartum depression because I never really experienced it. I have, however, struggled with depression. It was just never postpartum. It was one of the hardest things to get through in my life. I don't ever want to be in that dark place again.
Julie
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 14:25:14 (EST)
Wow, I've never seen this forum so dead. I was hoping there would be lots to read and respond to because I'm getting ready to go see The Passion of Christ in about an hour or so. I've never been nervous about seeing a movie before. I've never worried about whether or not I could "handle" seeing a movie before.
Julie
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 14:20:01 (EST)
Kerri~That is truly sad. I have struggled with post-partum depression after our son's birth, and it is very serious...Of, course I never got to the level of hopelessness that the woman you are talking about found herself, but that was do to a wonderful doctor and appropriate treatment. Women need to know that the "blues" are normal, but serious depression needs to be confronted and dealt with. My heart goes out to her family.
angela
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 08:26:13 (EST)
One last point...

I think that we are a little anxious about finding Osama.

One, because there was no link between he and Sadaam. Two, we now know that he was responsible for the attacks on September 11th and third, let's be honest, it will really help the Bush Administration to find him.

I think the "sense" of security is more pressing with America, whether we are truly secure or not.

Kerri- I'm sorry to hear about your story and pray that the husband and son (as he grows older) will have peace. I read in your post that she had Postpartum Depression, this is very serious. The more women become more sympathetic to one another and not past a judgemental "eye" on others, but embrace one another the better we will be as a whole (women). I saw a story about postpartum depression on Oprah and to look at some of the women's faces was appalling. So, appalling that Oprah call some of them on it when saying, "if you've never experienced the symptoms, then please practice empathy." Andrea Yates, in Houston had a severe case, and while I don't believe that killing her children was right, I do believe that her history of postpartum depression lead to the enevitable. We should embrace these women and try to help them instead of passing judgement on them. I am so sad for the family.
Shawanda
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 03:48:46 (EST)
GUYS,

I'll check the "Stars and Stripes" (military newspaper)this morning. I heard Lt. General Ricardo Sanchez say on AFN that they wre close to catching him, and that Military Intelligence has a very accurate idea where he is. This would be great, since we found out, through M.I. and C.I.A. intelligence, that he was responsible for September 11th. But, remember as with "the Jessica Lynch story" (what a brave soldier)we have to be careful about how the media may be quick to report something only to retract their story later.
Shawanda
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 03:36:47 (EST)
Yes, Julie. I have just heard the same thing. One minute they have reported him captured and then they say that it wasn't accurate info.
Sorry if I have given wrong info, the radio station I was listening to is usually accurate.
There are sources saying that they are practically on top of him now though, so hopefully soon.
The report must not be right cause why would any American source want to hold on to this kind of info, I would be shouting it from the rooftops !! LOL

Anyway here's to his timely capture !
Riley's Mom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:47:22 (EST)
Bonita, Riley's mom: I just saw a little segment on the news about how the army feels it is close to catching bin Laden. I also found an article review about an article published in the UK that says the US army has bin Laden boxed in - it also says the newspaper is a bit "colorful". I wish it were true, but I am thinking it is not.. is anyone else worried about what kind of backlash there might be from the Taliban when he is captured? I want him to be captured, but am a bit concerned as I beleive the Taliban is much more well organized than Iraq armies and resistance.

I am feeling a bit low atm - past financial problems that we are trying to resolve but keep coming back to bite us harder... I won't go into a bunch of details that would bore most of you.

Off to dinner at the 'rents house.
TC


Margarita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:02:31 (EST)
I just searched Ask Jeeves News and it is said that Osama was reported captured by Iran radio but Pakistan and U.S. officials deny the capture.
Julie
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 20:57:46 (EST)
Marie ~ Congradulations and happy birth day to little Ryan!

Kerri ~ I'm sending those prayers.

Riley's Mom ~ I hope you're right. I'll search the online news in a few seconds...

Wendy ~ They changed the question. Maybe they didn't update the main page or something.
Julie
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 20:49:34 (EST)
Riley's Mom...Please give us what info you heard. We also have been trying to find something about it on the news to no avail. I hope it's true.

Margarita...He says you're very welcome!

Kerri...How sad...We will keep them and everyone involved in the search in our prayers. It must be hard to deal with that. By the way...you are in Chicago...what area? My husband's family is in Crown Point...my mother's family is from the Calumet City/Hammond areas.
Bonita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 20:24:08 (EST)
Who cares?! Does the fact that homosexuals can marry each other make heterosexuals want to be gay too? I don't think so. And I believe it will in the end teach our children tolerance and equality.
wendy
email: weswendy@hotmail.com
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 19:57:28 (EST)
Kerri - I so sorry to hear about that. I will say a prayer for her son and husband. A big hug to you.

Riley's mom - where did you see that at? I just flipped through the news channels and looked online and don't see anything about it.

UUGHHH having a bad day. Be back later.
Margarita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 19:16:27 (EST)
To those who pray...
A fellow mom in my Northwestern playgroup for spouses was found dead this afternoon after being missing for almost two days. She just gave birth to a beautiful baby boy last week and was said to have postpartum depression. We have all been on a city of Chicago search for her whereabouts and were disappointed to have it called off when they found her...for those who pray, please say on for her husband and his new born baby. His name is Juan and her name was Andrea...
Thankyou...
Kerri
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 18:30:17 (EST)
Congrats Marie !! Take care.

Has everyone heard.....Osama has been captured finally !
Riley's Mom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 17:27:38 (EST)
THANK YOU BONITA'S HUSBAND!!!

I thought it might be something like that... I had purchased these CDs to burn DVDs on my fil's computer (he has a DVD player on his, but no RW DVD, only a regular RW drive. Wierd.)
Margarita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 15:47:18 (EST)
Congrats on your "precious gift" Marie!
Shawanda
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 15:21:37 (EST)
Hello everyone!!

Marie- CONGRATS!!!!!!! That is so great, and I'm sure you are so happy to have him in your arms!!!!


I went and saw the passion lastnight. It was such a powerfull movie. I have never cried like that before.It makes you feel like you don't deserve what he did.I can't explain it, you just have to see it.
It is just a feeling you have never had in your life. It is such a good movie, and I hope everyone who wants to see it gets the chance.
traci
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 14:59:45 (EST)
Margarita...Here's the expert, with advice for you.
Margarita, you said you have a CD burner and you put in a DVD+RW disc to try to burn. You have to use either a CD-R or CD-RW disk for that burner. To use DVD+RW you will need a DVD burner.
Bonita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 11:47:40 (EST)
Not a local computer...a local theater...you can see where my mind is...lol.
Bonita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 11:16:06 (EST)
By the way...a local computer is showing "The Passion of Christ". My hubby may take me this afternoon to see it. I think I'll make him go by this morning to get the tickets, so we won't be waiting in line, or face a sold out sign. I can't wait. But we've decided not to take the kids, until we see how graphic it is. Don't want to scare my 4 yr. old, nor make her think Jesus is being beat up and killed.
Bonita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 11:15:22 (EST)
Thanks for the update...and Marie, congratulations to you and hubby, and little precious baby boy.
Bonita
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 11:12:05 (EST)
Margarita...Personally, I am a clutz at the computer, but my hubby is the king of computers, even to the point of rebuilding them. He's asleep now, but when he wakes up, I'm sure he can tell you what you need to know and what to do. It may be as simple as using a non-rewritable cd, but if it is more...He'll know and can help. I'll show him your post as soon as he wakes up.
Bonita
email: muzicdiva777@hotmail.com
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 11:09:17 (EST)
Margarita~This is how I would answer your computer question....{{{{blank stare}}}}.LOL! I know how to surf the web, and e-mail. That's about it. I don't even have pictueres posted in my chat profile, because I don't know how to do it. I could figure it out, if given the time, but....I don't have patience either!

Marie~Great Job! Welcome to the "Club." You have just started the most incredible journey! Congratulations, and welcome to the world Baby Ryan!=)
angela
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 10:40:52 (EST)
Margarita,

I've been dumping my digital photos onto RW CDs with great success. Are the DVD discs any different from the CDs. Since nothing I was saving was video, I just stuck with the regular RW CDs. Occasionally, I'll get repeat instructions to insert a CD and just have to hit the OK button a couple of times. Another thought... what utility are you using to try to burn the photos to CD? When I tried to write my files through the utility that comes up when I make menu selections, every attempt failed. My machine has a second program called Roxio Easy CD Creator. When I execute through that program, it works every time.

Marie, Congratulations new mom! And welcome to you, Ryan Patrick!

Ellie
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 10:11:01 (EST)
Hi Misty,

I'm from Houston also. I grew up in Missouri City, when the area was first developed my parents had there home built there. They moved there in 1982. Have you heard of New Light Christian Center Church? What church do you go to? My Goodness, it's so wonderful to know that someone is from my hometown. When I was young we went to fellowship with John Osteen, I understand that his son, Joel, is the Pastor now and it's no longer called the "Lakewood-Oasis of Love" , but just "Lakewood Church." I didn't know that you were from Houston.

Choos
Shawanda
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 01:52:16 (EST)
Hi guys!
Wendy: I hope you are feeling better. I meant to post this yesterday, about hoping you feel better.

Does anyone know anything about RW drives? My computer has a RW drive, and it plays CDs just fine. Tonight I was trying to copy all my photos from my hard drive on to a CD so I can reconfigure my computer (don't want to lose them). I am using a DVD+RW disc. I keep getting a message that I need to put a CD in the disk drive. I am wondering if the disk I am using is the wrong type, or if there is just some step I am missing. Any ideas?? I'll do a search, otherwise I'll have to call my brother tomorrow. My computer is running so slow, I am hoping this will take care of it.
I am going to watch CD 3/3 of season 4 Sex in the City tonight. I think I saw a few of the last ones, don't Carrie and Aiden break up for good? I didn't watch the final episode, but heard that she and Mr. Big hook up. Ok, night ladies.
Margarita
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 23:06:16 (EST)
Right On Marie!!!
Welcome baby Ryan!
Margarita
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 21:55:49 (EST)
MARIE HAD HER BABY!!!!!!!

RYAN PATRICK
6 POUNDS 14 OUNCES

HE IS BEAUTIFUL.
SHE WAS WONDERFUL, SHE WAS SO BRAVE AND SUCH A WONDERFUL MOMMY!!!!

RYAN WAS BORN AT 6:09 PM

I AM SOOOOOO PROUD OF MARIE
jennyg
email: babiesspokesmom@hotmail.com
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 20:30:10 (EST)
Good afternoon everyone...I know it should be evening for a lot of you. Well, one show down for the 2nd semester and 2 to go. It went well, considering Jr. Highers seem to have a shorter attention span than my 4 yr. old.
So catch me up. When are they delivering Marie's baby?
What's going on here? I was told that The Passion is sold out in most theaters out here. I really want to see this one, so I'm hoping the base theater gets it and shows it a few times.
Bonita
email: muzicdiva777@hotmail.com
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 18:45:08 (EST)
Traci~lol! Sounds like something from Alice in Wonderland...everything is SOOOO small.....Hee!Hee!
angela
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 17:03:52 (EST)
Needing Advice~Like I said before, you need to call your OB/GYN, or GP, and ask them what they want you to do. Your cycle may not be the same as mine, and our brand of pills(as well as strength) may be different, so what worked for me may not be good for you, ya know?
angela
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 17:01:55 (EST)
In Need of Advice ~ Maybe I'm taking this wrong, but it sounds like you would rather get medical advice from the people here than talk to your doctor. You need to talk to your doctor about this.
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 15:38:25 (EST)
Traci,

You may have changed your screen resolution settings. You check it by going into the control panel, choosing display and then finding the settings tab.

Ellie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 15:28:16 (EST)
LOL...Okay it has to be my computer!!!! Everywhere I go the writing is so small!!!! What did I do??
traci
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 14:11:52 (EST)
Is it me or did the font just get way smaller?????
Are they trying to make it hard for some os us to read so we don't post??? LOL

Hope everyone is having a good day today!
traci
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 14:10:19 (EST)
Angela, did you take an extra weeks worth of pills and then throw out the rest of the month...and start with a fresh pack following your menses? Or did you then finish out the entire month and do two full months before having a period? Thanks!
In need of advice
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 13:12:49 (EST)
Shawanda - I live in Houston Texas. Several churches reserved theaters to view The Passion of the Christ. You had to go get the tickets at the church. Some churches gave ticket to members first.

I plan on going on Tuesday night. Probably alone so that dh can stay with my 10 month old.


Misty
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 13:05:06 (EST)
Hi guys...
I just finished my math homework, and am taking a break before I start to review for my test today.
I agree, nobody should feel wimpy for their choice of pain relief during labor!! I will say that I will not be using narcs next time though, because in no way was child birth spiritual for me, I was way too drugged up!!
My one and only labor and delivery lasted all of 8 hours from the time my water broke and home, to the time I delivered. 8 hours almost exactly, it was within a few minutes. I woke up that morning about 8:15 and when I sat up in bed, I thought I had wet myself (and was glad dh was at work). I wasn't due for another 3.5 weeks, so I didn't think it was my water - even when I stood up and more trickled out, I was a little confused. Then I called my one sis (I have 3) who went into labor having broke her water previously (my other sis with kids never had this experience at home, always during labor at the hospital). As I was talking to her, a hige leak sprang!! I told her I wasn't having contractions, so I was going to take a shower, feed the horses, wait an hour or two, and go in... she called right back to say that she had called my oldest sister to come get me and take me to the hospital because I shouldn't be driving! LOL... by the time my sis got there (mom of 3, been through it herself), I had taken a shower, fed the horses, and packed a bag. When we got to the hospital, dh was there, having raced in from work and then having to wait for me, along with my mom, my second oldest sis, my sister in law, and my MIL plus ALL of my neices and nephews. They checked for ferning, and then put me in a L&D suite for a bit, but nothing happened... so after about an hour my m/w said to induce me. That was about 12:30. I knew I was starting to have contractions when I started getting PO'd that I was in labor and hurting and my mom and my 14 yr old neice were talking about my neice's yearbook!! And my mom and mil were swapping delivery stories! LOL, it's funny what bugs you when you are in labor. And of course, the stupid monitor thing was irritating me, even after they stopped warning me, they kept whispering about how big they contractions were. About an hour after being induced, I wanted something for the pain, and so I was given a narc, not demerol, but I can't remember the name. I don't rememeber a lot about it after that, only that at some point all the nephews from my side of the family left, so that my 14 yr old and 11 yr old neice were there, along with my 5 yr old nephew from my sil. Dh wanted to go get something to eat, and my mom, mil, sisters and sil wouldn't let him, and I tried to tell them it was ok with me, we had planned on bringing him food, but I forgot to pack it. I remember sitting up and asking him if he had gotten anything to eat, when he had been right there holding my hand the whole time!! Anyhow, dd was born at 4:15 after about 45 minutes of pushing.
Alright alright, I really need to review... can you tell I am all kinds of excited for this test ;0p
Margarita
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:55:57 (EST)
>they are still messy, gooey,slippery, beautiful babies

Thank God for shows like Birth Day becuase if it wasn't for that documentary show, I would've thought that babies come out looking like Gerber babies. My first baby came out with red skin, squinty eyes, and baby acne all over his face! My second baby, who is now a blond with pale skin, was born with black hair and looked African-American. My last baby came out looking closest to the Gerber baby, if you looked past the white cottage-cheese stuff all over his face.
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:53:21 (EST)
In need of Advice~Yes, I have done that. I took the "active" pills during the week that you get your period and the pills are "inactive." Definitely check with your OB first before doing that...you don't want to mess up your system. He/She will tell you what to take and when. Where are you that you are taking "holiday's" to the beach in February? Australia or New Zealand maybe, where it is summertime? =)
angela
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:47:47 (EST)
I had Dayton Faith via C-section and did not feel cheated out of the birthing experience at all! That being said, I DID have my first two vaginally, so I got THAT experience too. A friend of mine has never had a vaginal delivery, all three were C-section babies, so I would maybe wonder in that case what I missed. BUT, really it does not matter what "hole" they come out of...they are still messy, gooey,slippery, beautiful babies, and we are still awestruck new parents. =)It's magic every time!
angela
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:43:48 (EST)
The labor of my first was much different than the last two labors. With my first I went into labor on my own and labor was quite short. With my 2nd, my water broke and I had a some contractions. I went to the hospital but hours went by with nothing happening so I was given pitocen. With my 3rd, I never even went into labor on my own. I was induced. I think it's the pitocen that I can't tolerate too well.
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:34:40 (EST)
Wow!

I thought that this was so excellent that I wanted to share it with you all. My mother told me that her Pastor in Houston, TX -Dr. I.V. Hilliard (one of those mega-churches- about 28,000 members) rented an entire theatre for the week to see The Passion of Christ. If anyone on this board lives in Houston, Tx it is on the Katy freeway (I-10) in Katy, and it's free of charge! (not screaming just really excited) I'm livng vicariously through those in America, since they haven't decided if they will show it here yet.

Choos
Shawanda
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:32:28 (EST)
Cherokee ~ I think I would feel cheated if I had to have a C-section. Only because you can't hold your baby right after it is born. With all three of my births I was given the baby almost immediately and I love, love, love holding them right after they are born. Also if it's an emergency C-section the father isn't always allowed to be there. My DH would be miserable if he couldn't be with me when the next baby is born.
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:28:39 (EST)
I don't know Julie, I stayed dilated to three with Esai for nearly two days LOL...it was pretty intense, as contrax were progress, but my cervix was not...pain is perception. And, as the saying goes, perception is reality. I stand by my original statement...childbirth is YOUR experience. Not to compare with anyone elses...we are all different and you should never feel like a wimp for asking for pain relief. It's not about being hardcore and sticking it out without pain meds...it's about having a beautiful and spiritual experience giving birth to your child. Just the fact that after the first one, you know what to expect and go onto to have ANOTHER baby..THAT makes you hardcore LMAO :0)!!
Cherokee
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:26:40 (EST)
In Need of Advice ~ From my understanding there are ways to delay your period using the pill but I'm not sure what they are. I'd check with your doctor and find out how to properly do it. You don't want to make yourself sick! That would ruin your "holiday" even more than a period would! You used the word "holiday." You wouldn't be British, now would you? ;)
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:19:09 (EST)
angela ~ It's not that I wanted an epideral that makes me think I'm a wimp...it's that I wanted it when I was only dilated to 3. I had an epideral with my 2nd baby. I had pitocin with that birth too. With my first I had no painkillers and no drugs. When I finally felt that I was in enough pain that I needed an epideral they said "Forget the epideral. PUSH!" lol
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:14:55 (EST)
In need of advice...maybe you should talk to your NP or doctor about that? BP are set up to regulate a cycle...taking an extra week of a drug to prevent that might really screw things up for you...good luck. :0)
Cherokee
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:57:29 (EST)
Good Morning eveyone....:0)

I finished my BIO156 essay last night...I had to 'state how the theory of evolution is used to describe the diversity of life on earth' and explain the differences of natural selection vs artificial selection and how does it all tie in with antibiotic therapy and new bacteria strains. HUH???? :0) I'm kidding. Again..ask me whatever you want about running a code..ask me this...and I will look at the paper for one hour straight before I can even come up with a stupid outline for the essay. SHEESE!

Angela~I'm with you...I'm all for natural birth, had my insurance covered it I would have done all of mine at home...they were short very manageable and relatively easy (save the fact none of my kids were under 8 lbs with 13-inch heads)but other than than that-pretty easy. However, Esai's birth going incredibly long is a perfect example..you never know what could happen...and isn't the outcome of a healthy baby the priority anyway? Exactly..and...isn't your childbirth experience also a priority? So...why scar that experience by making it something you don't want, or suffering through it because some people make you feel guilty for wanting pain relief. Listen, everybody is different. Sure I did my first four ala naturelle. But, then again..they were not the normal delivery times either. When my labor went two days, hard, 2-minute long contractions with no progress what did I do...?? I screamed "FREAKING EPIDULRAL PLLLLLLEAAAAASSSE"! LOL! NOBODY should ever make someone feel they have been cheated because they had a c-section, because they had narcotics to help them cope, because they had an epi, or even because they had a baby in the hospital. It is ALL about getting that baby out with mom healthy and baby healthy. Having a baby at home is a crap shoot. I got frustrated when I was in L&D, and a mom would look at me and say "I'm so sorry...could you tell the nurse to call the guy who does the epidural...I'm sorry I can't do it anymore" I'M SORRY??? Women shouldn't be made to feel like they are failing because they want pain relief..would you get a root canal (less painful than childbirth)without anesthesia..nooooo. LOL
Angela, you coulda been dead. Hemmorhage due to childbirth is what killed a 1/3 of women 150 years ago. We should learn from that yeah? Julie, unless you and your husband and/or midwife were skilled at neonatal rescussitation, your son could have died, as could Margarita's dd. Thank GOD we have the option to choose to take that risk..I wonder if I had Esai at home what would have happened, he was clearly "stuck" he was such a big kid...2.5 weeks early and already just under 9lbs. To each their own...
Cherokee
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:56:00 (EST)
Just curious if any of you women out there on the birth control pill have ever taken an extra weeks worth of pills to delay the "event"...like for a holiday to the beach...???
In need of advice
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:39:54 (EST)
I don't think wanting your epidural makes you a wimp at all!=0) To each his own...some people do natural/unmedicated deliveries and that is AWESOME. Some women opt for pain relief, which is fine too. I think it is a personal choice, and a woman has to make whatever decision she feels is right for her, and her birth experience. My children are all healthy as can be...I can COUNT how many sick days I have taken in eight years due to ill children. NOT very many! And, all of my deliveries were medicated. So, to each their own, and whatever works best in a given situation. You ARE NOT a wimp for wanting relief though. At least not to me.=)
angela
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:20:18 (EST)
Oh, and my boy will be 3 years old next month.
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:06:54 (EST)
angela ~ My pregnancy was perfectly normal as well. My husband said that the doctor that delivered me was shocked by the appearence of Bailey. You know it's bad when even the OB doctor is freaked out!
What is even weirder is that Bailey is a perfectly healthy child. However, I have a theory about what happened. (Saraj if you're reading this you could probably link me to some articles about the subject.) My OB doctor gave me the okay to have my epideral when I was only dialated 3 centimeters. I had always read that an epideral shouldn't be given until you have reached 5. But I was being induced, so the pain was intense and I was a huge wimp and didn't care.
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:04:20 (EST)
Oh Julie~~Our son did not breath right away either! He "mewed" like a kitten, and they had to use that ping-pong paddle type thing on his back to get him going. It was a terrible delivery. Oy! Had we delivered at home he maybe would not be alive, and I probably would have bled out. And my pregnancy was PERFECT! No indication whatsoever that the delivery would be so traumatic. All turned out well though, and he is a strapping, handsome, big boy who will turn three in May. =) I know Marie won't be reading here today, so I figured I could post this without scaring her.=0)

Marie~~I know you won't read this for a while, BUT I am thinking of you!!!!=)This will be the most incredible day of your life! Good luck, and Happy Birthday to your little Boy!!!!
angela
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 10:30:55 (EST)
Margarita ~ My youngest son wouldn't start to breath after he was born. You are so lucky that the drugs kept you from "being a mess" because I can honestly say those minutes before little Bailey wouldn't breath were the most excruciating minutes of my entire life. There is nothing worse than not hearing your baby cry right after he is born. It is for this reason that I never advise anyone to have a home birth. If those doctors and nurses hadn't have been there to help my baby start breathing, God only knows what would have happened.
Julie
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 07:46:23 (EST)
Still trying to catch up on my math homework, but my brain is so fried today... I keep having to take breaks. I feel like I need to get up and smash something, too much pent up energy, I guess. Frustration that I am playing catch up and don't understand some of this stuff, and have a test on it tomorrow... and of course dh wants some attention tonight of all nights... not that I am complaining, but the timing could be better. I wish I could just go to sleep right now and not worry about my math :0/. Dd is still going, back in her room. Duracell has nothing on the girl. She is supposed to be sleeping, but won't stay in bed, so she is playing instead. Almost 2 hours since she was put to sleep. Well, at least she's not complaining.
I wonder if it made a difference that my catheter was put in AFTER I delivered? I had one small tear, and one big one, due to the need for a fast delivery as soon as m/w saw dd's face. The cord and her arm were wrapped around her neck - and she wasn't breathing. Took some resucitating to get her breathing.. low apgars, etc. That was the ONLY good thing about being drugged up - I wasn't a complete mess over the fact that she wasn't doing well at delivery.
.... back to the grindstone I guess.
Margarita
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 00:50:49 (EST)
LOL! My husband watched the contraction monitor with our son. He kept saying, WOW! THAT is a BIG one!....Gee, Ya think? I must admit I got a bit testy with him! I did not get an epi with our son, though I really wanted one! The anesthesiologist(sp?) was in another procedure, and never got to me. I cried. With my first daughter, an epi was never even offered. When it came time to push, the doctor gave me a pudendal block, that just numbed "that" area. I got Demerol with all my deliveries....Demerol WAS my friend! =)

Julie~Ha! My doctor told me that feeling came from the baby bouncing along the pelvic floor. Once you stand up, Yep! The baby "floats" back away from the cervix. It IS a strang feeling isn't it?

Cherokee~I emailed you. I think I gave you some information that could help.

Ellie~I loved my catheter=0) Really, I felt SO MUCH better when they put it in! It is a bit uncomfortable if you accidentally pinch the tube, though!


angela
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 22:29:24 (EST)
Julie, I had to add that I didn't have an epi, but I was so stinking drugged up on whatever narc they gave me, that I had to have my dh walk me the 5 or so steps to the bathroom while I was in labor. He left me alone in the bathroom once he got me there, and I remember being very confused while I was getting up off the toilet. I just stood there and eventually he came in and got me ;-). He had tried to tell my m/w that I had a very clean system, I didn't even drink caffeine or soda or anything while I was pg, he thought it might have made a difference in how well I tolerated the amount of narc I was given... I don't know if it would have made a difference or not, but I was messed up with they amount/type of narc I got.
Margarita
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:35:37 (EST)
iParenting ~ There is a difference between moderating and censoring. I hope you know the difference.
Julie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:32:13 (EST)
Oh..all this talk of labor makes me wish I was abit younger! Mine was so easy...5 hrs and I breezed right through it...I don't think I even yelled once! Of course that was because I was so terrified that all I could do was look at the nurses and shake my head yes or no! DUHHH!

MARGARITA...that was good news! I am glad it isn't anything too bad and that your pain is minimal! You TC hun!! (((HUGS)))
LH
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:30:37 (EST)
Well, that was an easy dinner... lol. Last week when I made enchiladas I just tossed the over-abundance of mix into a freezer bag. All I had to do was defrost the mix, steam the tortillas, fill, and top! MM mm we love enchiladas!

I hope it didn't sound like I was telling Marie to have or not have an epidural... every woman is different and has her own wish list for her labor. IMO, short of murder, anything that makes momma happy during labor is A OK. ;-) I am glad that I did get to experience the pushing and contractions, though, otherwise I would be wondering how it felt. Like I said, next time I might have one, but definitely won't be doing the IV drugs/narcs, whatever they are called!

Ellie - After I delivered my dd, I couldn't pee, and I felt like I had to so bad... very uncomfortable. I had to be catheterized and it hurt - the nurse was a snot about it, too. It really "pinched". Boy was I relieved when it was in and I filled several of the little bag thingies. LOL. Most of the nurses during the 3 days I was there were WONDERFUL, but that one, and another night one, was yucky.
Hee Hee. I was wearing the stupid nursing gown they give you, and my pastor showed up as I was walking from my bathroom to my bed (birthing center, had my own suite). Nothing was really revealed, but boy did I feel uncomfortable.
Margarita
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:30:24 (EST)
Oh, I know having it isn't all that bad. But I didn't know that you had to have one the first time I had an epideral. I was a little suprised! lol It's just nice to know things like that ahead of time.
Julie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:28:36 (EST)
Catheters are really no big deal. They take a minute to insert and 5 seconds to remove. I would definitely want one again for my next delivery...I hated the thought of urinating after being "raw" down there...

Kerri
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:27:30 (EST)
I always thought that a catheter would be the ultimate in unappealing. But when I was in labor my bladder was full and my daughter had it so smashed that I could release about one drop at a time. When they offered me a catheter, I gladly took it and immediately felt much better.

Ellie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:12:38 (EST)
I love having an epideral but for some reason it seems to take forever to wear off for me. I hate the jello-legs feeling afterwards. Not to mention the catheder. Does Marie know about having to have a catheder? I hope I spelled that right.
Julie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:08:14 (EST)
>If people want to communicate with each other away from here, there is the Sound Off Chat Room

How do you get to it?
Julie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 20:59:54 (EST)
Margarita...our online tests are timed also..We also have a midterm and final that is required in-person. You set it up through the college proctor.


Cherokee
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 20:53:52 (EST)
Also, Oscar..you are a STINKER...I bet your wife has her hands full LOL :)
Cherokee
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 20:51:51 (EST)
LOL Marie..my dh would say, "get ready, here comes another one"..I'd be like "YEAH..duh....I KNOW!! If they didn't make me stay hooked up after they started the pitocin, I would have taken it off altogether. My first four kids I had no epi or any drugs at all. I was also only labor for no more than 4 or 5 hours..Esai was another story..he was quite comfy and I swear hanging onto my ribs by his toes...After two days of labor like that I got the epi...and all I could say was "ahhhhhhh and thannnnkk youuuuu...zzzzzzzz" No lie. I also vaguely remember the anesthesiologist being a somewhat attractive man...and thinking "hmmmm..he just saw my very pregnant bare tushie" and being a little embarrassed. It was probably the drugs. LMAO!

I hope it is a fairly quick and very BEAUTIFUL experience for you..childbirth is spiritual...I hope you focus/relish in that aspect of it, rather than how much it hurts. Not everyone can give birth!

Well my heart was broken today...Rosie O'Donnell is officially off the market and married her longtime girlfriend and mother to her four children...Kelli...sorry gals...LOL Rosie is taken forever....

Well it's back to the books for me...


Cherokee
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 20:49:56 (EST)
>Julie~I think I know the feeling you are describing. When I was pregnant with Dayton, there were a couple times that I would stand up, and FEEL like that baby was just going to drop right out! Is that what it feels like?

angela ~ That is exactly what is feels like. Along with the pain I feel a lot of pressure. If I walk around a little it subsides. Maybe the baby floats back up or something. lol
Julie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 20:41:25 (EST)
Marie- Good luck, you will be in my prayers tonight. No matter what you choose it is ok.
traci
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 20:23:36 (EST)
Happy birthing, Marie!

Ellie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 19:38:51 (EST)
Just thought I would dop in before I head off to try to get some sleep ( ya right )
Thank you all for your advice.

Margarita~ I will remember your tip about the monitor and being "warned" about the upcoming contractions.In fact the one at my hospital is on wheels so you can totally turn it around and nobody has to look at it.

Take care everyone..Goodnight!
Marie
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 19:29:14 (EST)
Dd says she wants to watch Madame Blueberry (that's all she wants to watch anymore, and Dora) so I am sneaking on here to visit quickly.

Marie - My midwife talked me out of planning on an epi until I was actually in labor and could see how much pain I would actually be in. I like the fact that I didn't plan one, because I was happy to be able to experience contractions and pushing (some epi's will prevent you from feeling anything below the waist, depending on the anesthesiologist (SP???). I did have some sort of IV pain killer about an hour after being induced, because as Wendy said, when you are induced the contractions are intense and BIG. Mine were off the chart and they were all localized in one are right above my pelvic bone - I never felt the contraction move through my tummy as some women have described. Anyhow, the pain killer didn't kill the pain, it only made me so I didn't care about it, I basically was only awake for the contractions. Word of advice: don't let anyone sit and watch the monitor because no matter their intentions, they will end up warning you about "here comes another one". LOL I snapped at my sis and my dh several times because they were warning me, and even after I asked them to stop, they would wince or "look" at one another. It hurts bad enough when it comes, without wasting those precious few seconds before it starts by thinking about it!!! Next time (if there is a next time) I will either go natural or have an epi. My dd was only 6 pounds 8 ounces when she was born, and she hade (still has) a little head, and I remember thinking that it didn't hurt nearly as bad as I thought it would when her head crowned. I hope that is encouraging. LOL next time I will probably say I want to go natural and then have some big headed monster!!! LOL.

LH - No, sweets, I am not in any continous, or chronic, pain. It flares up sometimes if I am not really careful about what I eat. I am going to get tested to see for sure if it is my gall bladder once I get insurance this summer, but until then I will just use the antacids I have been prescribed and be careful with my diet. I have to say that last night dh made pan fried butterfly prawns, and I didn't have any problems, so perhaps these antacids will work fine. LOL my mom asked me what they were called, and I when I told her I didn't pay any attention to how I was pronouncing it, dh pointed out that I was making it sound like I was saying "ass-effects" instead of aciphex. Hm, not really sure how to differentiate between the two!! Thank you for your concern, but I'm ok ;-). Nice to e-see you!

Cherokee - Yes, having a schedule all written out so I can "see" everything always makes me feel much more in control. I am just a visual learner, I guess. Are you on semesters? I am about 2 weeks out from the end of winter quarter. I'll be on semesters once I get enrolled at WSU. Ha! I used to be happy with C work when I started college back in the early 90's... now I am ticked off at myself if I miss one point on a quiz. I just got a 49/50 on a math test and stayed late today after class to talk to the teacher about it so I can get it right tomorrow. Our math tests have 2 parts, one part review from the previous week, and the second part is all new info. I'll be seeing that same or similar problem tomorrow and now I should nail it! My open book online tests are timed, so the instructor knows that we have to have a decent understanding of the info because we won't have time to look it up! Very clever... BTW - I wasn't online at 2 am last night - the time is about 2 hours ahead of me. I usually hit the hay around 12:30 or 1, sometimes a little later, but not often. Are you near Pioria (sp??)? My "guys" are down there (I am a huge baseball fan, the Seattle Mariners spring train in Pioria, pronounced PeeOreeUH incase I am mispelling it). LOL it sounds like they could have trained up here and had the same weather... 13 days of rain out of 15!!

Angela, thank you! Is the chat available all the time? Man! I spend too much time on here already!

Well, I want to check in on the TT board before my time is up!

I'll probably be back in here someitime after dinner though.

TC,

Margarita
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 19:12:19 (EST)
Has anyone seen the passion yet???
traci
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 16:39:58 (EST)
LOL! Cute!
angela
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 15:45:57 (EST)
Oscar- LOL!!!
traci
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 15:20:05 (EST)