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cherokee a hero? bwhahahah! yeah so am I! And don't most cps screw around on their wives? No wonder those two have anger issues!
not a friend either
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:09:33 (EDT)

Angela/Cherokee in all fairness I must say something to you also. I know that what has been said here lately has not been right nor warranted in some cases. I know that all of us get crap flung in our direction. Please try to ignore it. I know that it is hard and I know that you are trying to protect what we have had here (the good stuff)but stooping to the level that some are playing at is not the right thing to do. I also know its hard to be PC. That is not what we want to entirely be. We can be un-PC, just not in the ways of cussing or name calling. KWIM? Thanks for understanding.

Wendy
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:09:04 (EDT)

hello all...

just popping in to say hi. i have had a busy day, trying to get all organized for my big trip tomorrow! i thought i'd try to make it a wee bit easier on my husband so i made a couple of meals for him thru the week. i know already tho, that it's gonna piss me off when i come home and find all my dinners still in the freezer and he and my daughter have been eating out all week! oh well, at least they'll be there for when i get back so i don't have to cook!

CHEROKEE< you rock, girl. saving people's lives? i mean come on, how many of us can say that we saved a life in our lifetime? i know you've seen more than your share of heartaching trauma, and i think that makes you a stronger person. traumatized? i doubt it. more aware of the dangers and stupidity of people such as drunk driving, gang wars? definitely. maybe more appreciative of your babies and husband when you get home at night knowing that some people are burying their babies? certainly.

in my opinion, talk about the horrors you've seen as an EMT firefighter all you want, baby. if your stories will make just ONE person a little more aware, or more careful, or more appreciative of their babies, or health, or family, then mission accomplished.

if people try to knock you for it, well you've dealt with petty jealousy before, so let it roll right off ya!!!

melissa, margarita, ellie, shawanda, wendy, angela, fatima, lyne, ...i will "see" you all next week when i get back from my trip!!
j-mo mama
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:02:20 (EDT)

Again you have all proven my point.
Why not just say hey thats your opinion..
no you all feel the need to belittle and destroy...

take time ladies.

I am not on any sort of a high horse. I neglected to mention what I did for a profession beside raising children....I too was on the paramedic side of life cherokee, and never once did I insult you on purpose, if any of you took it that way I apologize. But I will not be apart of this immature banter any longer.
I thought I could come here to find kinship and solice..instead just a large group of women trying to impress others.
Honey, my battle scars are long and deep. I have buried more loved ones in my life time than people whom you have known. No I will not try to own my patriotism, but I will stand tall and let it beam with pride.
Angela...A cops wife....I should have known.

I will not return.
The local playground has more adult intellect than this group.
not A FRIEND HERE THANK YOU

How does your post make you any more intelligent? I mean seriously your last line was a cut that you just had to put in there. Really, seriously, wasnt that a belittling statement? Also what you said to Angela, that wasn't belittling or destroying? Don't they too serve our country to help preserve the liberites that we all hold so dear? You come here to accuse this board of being just that and you also decide to contribute to the destroying and belittling of others? We don't need anon posters as yourself returning, so then go to your local playground and have fun.
Wendy
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:02:04 (EDT)

Hey everyone. Ok a lot has happened. I have been gone spending time with DH and the girls. DH and I saw The Day After Tomorrow last night. Have to say cool movie!!! Anyway on to what is going on.

Saraj Yes I did email you apologizing for me being too harsh. As a spokesmom, I stood up for my immature attitude and emailed you saying that I was wrong. I was not wrong, however, emailing you that. Now I emailed you on my own accord. Don’t you think that if I really wanted to dig up stuff on you I would go to you personally? No, I would go to all the sites that I have been emailed instead. I was genuine in asking what you really felt that if you were really that way in person (email wise) as on the board. I did genuinely ask you for a puppy ( which I am still interested in) which is your work business. I didn’t ask you extremely personal questions. I asked if that is really how you felt about abortion and why you had a bankruptcy. I was not asking for anyone else’s benefit but my own. Believe what you may. Also Angela asked me if I emailed you and I said yes. I have NEVER shared ANY email with ANYONE but Tanya or Julie over at Iparenting. You can KNOW all you want but that doesn’t mean anything to me. Also isn’t this your word against mine? So isn’t that what you are doing with Ellyn? What you say of her is your own opinion so let me make mine of her. I don’t need anyone else telling what to think of someone else. I personally don’t care what you think about me and the spokesmom job. I am not here to be liked, I am here to make sure that this place stays somewhat calm. Also that is what Tanya is here for too, to make sure that what needs to get done (as in deletions and bans) get done, esp since I cannot do those things myself. Your email was forwarded to Julie the webmaster. She has the upper hand on things and emails that you may get. Once I forward emails there is nothing else I can do. What she does with it is between you and her. There is nothing I can personally do myself. If I had not cared, why did I email you and asked you to forward the info to me? Yes I do talk to one or two people outside the boards as do you, so what? I am not partial to anyone. I would tell Angela or Cherokee ( l said them because I know what you are thinking) the same thing. I think you need to step back and maybe curb your grudges and act mature, then maybe we can all get along with you here and have decent conversations with you.

LH Lets see where do I begin. You have done the exact same thing that you accuse everyone else of doing. I am doing this since Tanya posted. I am not looking at who started what. That is for third graders. Tanya’s post was yet ANOTHER clean slate. I know for a fact that you have “started” many of fights. As you said
you must warn the people who instigate these sort of replies as well!

Consider yourself warned. Also I think that I have told you time and again that they try to change the question weekly. It so happens that Julie the Webmaster who changes the questions, is out on leave due to a death in the family. So I am sure it will be changed soon. I think that you needed to do EXACTLY what Jmo suggested and left her alone. Why cause more trouble? If this board is not the way you like it then I suggest you find a new board to post on. We are trying as hard as we can to get this back to normal. If you are not willing to cooperate and mock our “*new* rules” then I suggest you leave the rest of us who are actually trying, alone.

Gayle I just love how some come popping in acting like they have been here for months and shoot off comments like the one you made. I suggest that if you intend to keep posting here, that you keep what you need to say to yourself. This matter is being resolved and we don’t need someone new to add to the mess that we are currently sweeping up. If you are 19, with no children then you need to not comment on how we are bad examples to our children. How we type and act here is, for the majority of us, not how we act in front of our children. Please do not come on here making blanket statements about how we are or how we raise our children. That only causes inflamed responses from others that we don’t need right now.

A friend I will have you know that my brother is on a plane to Iraq, so I suggest that you do the same and thank a vet for the liberties that you so easily abuse and mock

Duke It is great to know that there are more men like you out there. And you are soo right in that fact that a man has a right to say, but not demand what is to be done. I respect that.

Amy that comment was not needed and unwanted. If you cannot not attack someone, I suggest that you do not post at all.

Just so you all know, next week I am taking off. Tanya will be here for me. I am pretty sick with this m/s and have been trying to sleep it off when DH is home. So I hardly have time to check here. So I will see you all on Saturday. And believe me, I am nice compared to Tanya. She is iparenting, so she will delete and do what ever is necessary to make this board a safe and fun place to stay. I will also be checking my email everyday, and please refrain from posting your emails at this time. We are having some viruses along with porn mail being sent so if you want to exchange email addresses do so through me. Thanks

Wendy
email: soundoffboard@hotmail.com
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 20:31:18 (EDT)

Cherokee/Kerri~Ignore that stupid comment by Amy. Your jobs, as well as Jake's, by their very nature, ARE traumatic! It takes a special kind of person to do the jobs you guys do. Amy reminds me of one of those people who complain about politicians all the time, but have NEVER voted? She makes snide comments to you Cherokee, and probably does NOTHING CLOSE to the type of work you do.

BTW Amy~There ARE policemen, firemen, EMT's, Military Personnel, Medical Personnel, etc. who DO benifit from counselling, and there is NOTHING wrong with it. In MY field, I get to deal with the RESULTS of what happens to families that SHOULD get counselling, and don't...the results are heartbreaking. You have NO idea what these people, in these fields, see everyday, and until you do....you need to stay quiet.
angela
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 19:58:02 (EDT)

Amy"....yes that's your "real" name I'm sure....gimme a break eh?

Talk to ANY firefighter EMT- they will tell you they get a little ticked
when some know-nothing gushes about how they don't understand sacrifice.
And....those are valid issues with anyone in the rescue field. Those were actual
incidents that took place...in a regular work week. It's life. And death. I
don't need counseling. In fact, if seeing those things didn't piss me off, or make
me sad, or make me want to shake the life out of the common idiot who drinks
and drives, I WOULD need counseling because if you don't feel for people,
there is no point in doing the job.

Someone like you is the one who needs counseling. I mean, what does any of
this have to do with you. Yet, you simply must stick your nose in. Ahh..isn't
the internet great. You can start crap you would NEVER start with me if you had
to confront me in person. yes, yes, you are so MUCH bigger than I.

Cherokee
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 19:33:15 (EDT)

Good evening all!
Rain Rain Go Away...

Amy-Cherokee is not "traumatized" by her job and not in need of counseling. She was one of thousands of heros that we call "policemen, firemen, nurses, and military" who put their lives at risk to help society . You should be thanking people like her...do you think you could do her job?
Kerri
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 19:04:06 (EDT)

Cherokee, its obvious you need counselling. You seem traumatised by your job.
Amy
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 18:28:36 (EDT)

Well, No, "still a friend" or whatever new handle you are calling yourself
these days..."Cherokee" is not my God-Given name (tho I wasn't aware that God was
giving 'em) but it IS my God-Given heritage, so I claim it. Plus, I just
kinda dig the word. Like the way it sounds.

LMAO. Yes...yes.... I am BLINDED by your brilliance (feigned awe intended)
For someone who claims to be so much more "mature" and a challenge, you are
doing exactly what you accuse others of. You don't think we can claim our
tragedies/triumphs..but yet, you are. Do you need kudos? You have them from me.
Anyone who is a fellow cancer survivor, and adopts children in my book deserves a
hats off.

I'm sorry to hear about your husband and daughter. No one should have to bury
their child. That sucks to put it mildy.

I'm not reallyr remembering you I feel like you are not a regular here (we
certainly would have remembered this story)..you don't *really* know all of the
dynamics as you claim, just glimpses. And at any rate...it really is a
non-issue, right? I mean. You just got irritated with what you saw and needed to
vent. {Gasp} that means you are {double gasp} just like every other human on the
planet. LOL

Don't even GO THERE with regard to what your soninlaw (not you) has
sacraficed for me. Alright? I am fully aware and appreciative of these sacrafices made,
My cousin would still be in Afghanistan today, but you see...he did give the
ultimate - his life. With a three year old and unborn child he never got to
meet. His femoral artery was severed by a gun shot wound, he lost his leg, then
he died before they could get him home. Had I not gotten cancer, I would have
been Army. I come from a long line of proud military. My dad is Air Force
(ret.) My husband was Navy, My ex-husband was Air Force. I have well-rooted
respect and honor reserved for those people. The right to say whatever you want,
means everyone, not just you, "friend" can do the same. Also, don't harp on me
about sacrafice. If you knew me, (as you say) you would know of plenty of
life-threatening predicaments I have CHOSEN to put myself in to save another. I
bagged a 4 year old under a car because she wasn't buckled in by her mama, who
was fighting on her cell phone with her boyfriend and it overturned throwing
the kid out and pinning her under the car after it rolled. I have pulled kids
and adults alike out of burning buildings when I could easily have been hurt or
killed. Try pulling a burned-to-a-crisp kid out of house because dad fell
asleep smoking a cigarette. Call it playing games, trivialize it all you want.
You picked the wrong person to harp on about their lack of sacrafice. Do I care?
Well, it does make me mad, but for like, 5 minutes, the length of time that I
took to write this. You just made YOU look bad, not me. The people here who
have taken the time to get to know me, know ME. LOL... And I am PROUD of my
life..and I inspire others too...so..YAYYYYYY ME! (wink)

Angela may argue with people here, as we all do in our own way. but that is
her right. Oh..try telling her about sacrafices. She rescues kids from morons
for a living. Oh. And her husband is retired Navy and currently, in law
enforcement. Tell her she doesn't know about sacrafice when she doesn't know if her
husband will be killed in the line of duty everyday. Protecting people
umm...yeah..."friend" LIKE YOU.

You are just pissed because I mocked your piggly-wiggly comment and backed it
up with a valid-case in point.. that happened to be me. Geez.

BTW Oscar~ Thanks. It was just the right thing to do. For me and my (now
grown) little girl. I wanna wring that girl's neck sometimes. But I never
regret my decision. :0) kinda like how you feel after a solid, productive (but
hard) days' work.

Cherokee
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 17:14:43 (EDT)

P.S...if it was indeed sincere, then THANK YOU for your blessing from one Military Family to another.
angela
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 17:06:36 (EDT)

Duke~Hey there! Long time, no see. Good to see you again...how goes things?

Friend~I believe I WILL hug a Veteran today and EVERY day....my husband who has proudly served this country for over 20 years in the United States Navy. Get off your patriotic high horse.
angela
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 17:03:44 (EDT)

http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
Duke
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 16:03:04 (EDT)

Sure, why not have TV's in cars. It makes the trips on the road more bearable.

To the poster below. I as a man have EVERY right to have a say in what a woman does with OUR unborn child. It takes two to make a child and it takes two to make a decision to kill vs. raise a child. Honestly people, I thought women were to be more the sympathetic ones in regards to children and infants. Has all that changed?
It has become a sad day when a mother can no longer be counted on to do what is best for her own child...

Duke
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 15:56:53 (EDT)

Gayle, I do honestly believe that your post was about the most sensible and mature I have seen to date on this board. It is very appaulling to think that some of thes potty mouths are raising the children of our future...scary. Proves yet another point of some people being out an out rude. Rude being the nicest thing I can muster up to describe Angela.
Oscar- I will just say this to you..YOU as A MAN have absolutely no right in this world to tell any woman what she can and cannot do with her unborn child. You may not disagree with it, but it gives you no right to have that much power over something that you have nothing to do with. You are a real piece of work. I do believe it is women like saraj that intimidate you, you are a very lonely man. ANd who claims to be married to such a beautiful super model I do believe I read somewhere. I have mush better things to do with my time to go research the archives, but that is neither here nor there. You are entitled to your beleifs. But what would you do if a women was given the right to say certain men must have their ability to reproduce taken away...And as for adoption my dear boy...why dont you think before you speak so high upon your soap box.
To all of you other posters-
Let me just say I am very far from being saraj or LH. I am 47 years old, I have raised 6 children, ( 2 of which I adopted as troubled teenagers). My husband died when my youngest son was in the second grade. So cherokee dear, I too have seen my fair share of difficulty. I have won the battle of breast cancer, I buried my daughter at the age of 21. She suffered a lifetime battle, as she was born with a rare form of blood disease. I watched my sons wife give birth. Then 9 days later he left to fight for your right to sit here and play these silly games of who is tougher and who has overcome more tradgedy. And he is still there today.

So dont any of you ever say one person is more entitled to Bless our Troops. Maybe if you all spent a little more time being kind to thy neigbor and live and let live, you would not all be so downright angry. Your bitterness towards life shows through each time you yet once again attack saraj. I dont really see any need for me to go on. Those of you intelligent enough must have gotten the point by now.

And it is not cowardly of me to not leave my name. Is CHEROKEE your god given name my dear????
I choose to be a bit of a character you can all battle with. You all tend to focus on the fact that I will NOY leave my name...so here I will make one up just for those of you who are so bothered by my brilliance.

Sincerely,
JamieKatieMichaelAngieJoseph

Oh and celebrate this Memorial Day weekend..
Hug your Local Veteran and thank him for your rights as an American.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND THEIR FAMILIES
still a friend.
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 15:36:57 (EDT)

Hey guys.
It is pouring here again today. This is typical Washington weather however, so I don't know why I am so astonished by it. It always rains on Memorial Day here.
I live right by a cemetary, the one where my "little brother" is burried in fact. I can see his headstone as I drive by. Yesterday some of his friends were out there visiting with him, and it reminded me that only days after last year's memorial day weekend, I saw him and told him I had put flowers on his great grandpa's and grandpa's graves, because they were the only people I knew who were actually burried, not cremated. Now this year I can put flowers on his grave.

Change the topic. DD is walking around wearing her swimming goggles, which have tropical fish on them. Pretty cute.

I feel a little better today, but these antibiotics are naseating. DD has a scratchy sounding voice, so I know her throat must be bothering her, but when I ask her she says "right here" and points to her tongue.

About the board: I am sorry that things have disinigrated to the point where they have. I think we all need to keep in mind that this is an internet space. None of us can control what others say here, we can only control what we say here to help the climate. If we aren't willing to do that, then we need to either stay away or accept it for what it is. We need to stop bashing on one another.

LH - I love you sweetie, but you did do the same thing to J-Mo again. Maybe it would have been better to take it up with her outside the board, email her, or ask if you could. I am sorry that you guys aren't friends anymore.

Maybe there should be a chat room where those of us who are having such terrible conflicts can go and hash it out there so the rest of the board doesn't get bogged down in it? I hope that no one else decides to jump in and start beating anyone else up because of yesterday's posts.

Well, that's it for me. I am going to go fold laundry and scrub walls. Ahhh, the glamorous life.

Hugs,
Margarita
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:15:57 (EDT)

Morning all, whew, rough night eh?

Lh, you sure were busy, seems like you spent ALOT of time digging through
archives. I could probably find ALOT of things you said to several people as
well, that prompted those responses to you. But gosh, that seems a little
unhealthy? I mean it was one thing to cut/paste a quote, but at all hours of the
night/morning to go digging through archive upon archive, WOW....a little
disturbing. OH, BTW, WAY TO GO on taking them out of context...and topic. That was
accurate (not). And you know, GOOD JOB on mocking the hell out of
Jmo---Sounds to me like you are pretty lucky she didn't air any of YOUR nasties. Every
family (even yours) has them. It's easy to see why she sought out new friends.
Geez. A little bit Playground LH... IMHO You probably aren't reading this tho,
LOL, you are probably busy deliriously (and I do mean delirously) cutting and
pasting every argument and disagreement as we speak.

Jmo~Hmm. I hear ya. Some of us don't need to justify/defend our
relationships with other people. I'm glad I know you. I'm glad I know Angela. And Wendy.
I'm glad I email with the several of you that I do. I'm a good friend and
source of support, as you gals are to me and I love ya all.

Anyhoo....our daughter's party was great last night. It was a housewarming of
sorts. They have a large mexican tiledpatio, half covered, half uncovered.
It was a cute little three-bedroom house. Not the "best" of neighborhoods, but
cute none the less. Megan deco'd herself, she is very handly like that. She
painted the kitchen half fire-engine red, half beige and then stencilled
cherries everywhere. Now, when she told me this I was like "huh?" but when you see
it, it was really cute. She also has an office/therapy room set up for her
private practice. It's all neutral tones, chiffon-y curtains and water fountains.
She is thinking ahead...that's my girl!!

We also met her boyfriends' parents last night. He comes from a large
family, his sisters and brothers were there, with their kids. His mom is the typical
very protective mom of the oldest child. For the most part I liked her, she
was stand offish, but relaxed with me after she saw that I spoke a bit of
Spanish. The dad was awesome! He was very sweet and told me the nicest things
about my daughter.

I'm not very happy about them setting up house together, but it is her life,
she is an adult. She has been financially independant of us for one year...and
doing quite well. She will make her own decisions, maybe mistakes too, and
while I don't support that decision, I do support her. Her boyfriend is kinda
controlling, IMO, but for the most part I do like him. The way he looks at her,
it is obvious that he does love her (my concern, they are almost 21 and
24)Anyway...good PARTY. Lots of Salsa dancing and great music. The little kids were
dancing, There were alot of margaritas, appletini's and hamburgers/hotdogs,
pazole, albondigas, enchiladas, both alchol-sangria and sangria without for the
kids. It was so much fun. I was impressed at Megan's party-throwing
skills...anyway, lotsa food! The cops only showed up once. LOL. :0)It was fun. We left
about 9 tho because Esai does have his schedule..he was ready for bed.

Well I am going to run. I have homework, and we are spending as much of the
day as possible under water as it is going to be a scorcher today (and everyday
until September now) It is supposed to get up to 108 this week. We are
going to grill outside this afternoon and hang in the pool. Have a nice day
everyone....

Cherokee
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 13:58:06 (EDT)

LOL Gayle~There is a long history there...unless you know the whole situation, it is probably best just to stay out of it. =0)

Well, at the risk of sounding like I am agreeing with Saraj about anything{{{GASP!!}}} it HAS happened before...not often, but it has...EVERYBODY says things in the *heat* of a debate, dispute, what have you. It happens. And if it does...a person can either defend their stance, or apologize, but to say things like "I said such and such because somebody MADE me" is just BS. Nobody can MAKE another person feel, or say, anything so if things get nasty here(which they have, and will) can we not go there with the *so and so MADE me say that, so I don't have to be an adult and own up to it*. BTW~I've BEEN called a B*TCH before, so that is nothing new to me in the name calling department. I CAN be one, and freely admit it...but hey, at least when I have something to say, I say it and sign my name to it, despite WHO here may hate me or despise me. I cannot say the same for a few *Friends* here.;)
angela
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 12:24:13 (EDT)

okay i just noticed a bunch of you people verbally attacking each other, and acting very immature for that matter. for the love of god grow up, i am 19 and i dont act like that, i can only imagine the hideous example you set for children acting that way. and i wont even mention how your arguments are totally irrelevant to the given topic which is "tv's in cars" in case you have forgotten or failed to notice.
gayle
email: mrs_strait@msn.com
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 06:16:43 (EDT)

i dont know about detrimetntal, but the whole idea of having a tv screen in a moving vehicle disturbs me. a radio is one thing, but if one was to try watching tv while driving (some vehicles have them in front) i can only imagine the possibilities for an accident. do we not watch enough tv as it is?!!!
gayle
email: Mrs_strait@msn.com
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 06:12:58 (EDT)

you know what, i should thank you. thank you for showing me your true colors, thank you for teaching me that real relationships are the OPPOSITE of what we had. thank you for making me sooooooooo glad that i don't correspond with you anymore.
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Just one more comment and then I'm done...I have been hurt for a long time and kept in inside so I'm letting it out tonight and moving on! I don't know what the hell you are talking about here...we emailed for over 2-years about our families, our children, our lives and our feelings...you even invited me to come visit you! I don't know what you mean by a "real" relationship, but at the time, I thought we were the best friends could be with living so far apart! I made a mistake, yes, and a very small one at that...even margarita forgave me...you know I did apologise to the both of you sincerely! Guess that wsn't good enough for you! Sure I will get called a whiner for this, I don't care at this point, but I just want you to know how much it has hurt me to read your posts here to your *new* friends about your daughter and life and all, knowing that just a few months ago you were discussing it with me! I honestly feel like something has happened in your life to make you change so drastically...something bad...and for that I feel sorry because I know I was a good friend to you, JMO and I have no regrets there! I only regret the fact that I let a couple vindictive bitches piss me off enough to post something that I knew I shouldn't have and well...I apologised enough for that so whats done is done!

Like I said before, the board I moderate is much kinder and the members there are compassionate to most all...that is where I belong, not here!

LH
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 00:17:08 (EDT)

LH, i'm tellin' you, leave me the HELL alone.

j-mo mama
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 00:15:14 (EDT)

Opps sorry...it was Cherokee that said that...not angela! My apologises!
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"...and was frankly embarrassed that LH got a leg up on me on that. She set out to hurt me.
Cherokee
Thursday, April 01, 2004
at 16:00:15 (EST)
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My how quickly things changed! You know I've kept quiet about this wayy too long, but maybe you are finally showing your true colors after all as well! You email me all this BS talking about how horrible angela and cherokee are and calling them every name in the book and then you beg for their forgiveness like some sniveling little child! WHY??? So you could be their FRIEND? Yes, I'm sure that was the only way you would ever get to post back on your beloved board! Sure wouldn't get there by keeping my friendship! And just for the record JMO, I VALUED our friendship and thought of you as a great friend! We emailed for way over 2 years...alot longer than your efriends of now! But like I said your true colors are showing too because you know the only way you can post here is to not be my friend and to kiss their butts! Well so be it! My post back when all that happened was not as bad as you made it out to be...you totally over-reacted! You treated me horrible and if anyone was vicious, it was YOU! So screw you, and screw angela and cherokee!!
LH
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:46:44 (EDT)

and BTW LH, don't underestimate me. i don't get my gratification in life looking for "applause" on this board. you couldn't even comprehend the friendship that i have with some of the women here, so stay the hell out of it. i don't butt into your "friendships" and give you my perspective on them, so leave mine alone.

you know what, i should thank you. thank you for showing me your true colors, thank you for teaching me that real relationships are the OPPOSITE of what we had. thank you for making me sooooooooo glad that i don't correspond with you anymore.

you leave me alone, i'll forget you even exist.
j-mo mama
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:22:39 (EDT)

oh you'll leave it alone now, huh LH? then why dig thru the archives and bring up a post of mine??

leave me the HELL alone. you don't know me, don't claim to know anything about me. yeah you may know some of my bio but let's leave it at that, OK?

do NOT address me, do NOT mention my name in your posts, and do NOT dig up old posts of mine.

j-mo still pissed off mama
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:18:52 (EDT)

hi all. some of you may remember me from a few months back where i was posting regularly for a long time.

angela, i used to really enjoy your posts. i liked your spunk and your energy and how you didn't back down. and i know that saraj has said some pretty nasty stuff to you and others (esp cherokee re: her baby which was terrible)

now angela, i'm not intending for you to get pissed about this but i just wanted to let you know that i, for one, enjoyed your posts pre-saraj. it seems you are all powerless to "get rid of her" here, but can you not ignore her completely?

it's just a shame because i really liked the angela i used to see post here, but it seems as if you're forever on the defensive now, ready to attack.

just my honest opinion,. i'm sure i'll get slammed for it but so be it.

take care all
j-mo
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 21:20:01 (EST)
LH
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:03:59 (EDT)

>She even posted that it really hurt because she thought I had gotten the upper hand!>

WHAT!?! I doubt it! Nothing you say hurts me LH. Wow...you got issues.
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:00:54 (EDT)

BTW...there is no PLOT...I only defend myself when I have to! If they would stop posting shit about me, I would stop replying! See how quickly you responded? Try having that sort of thing happen everyday!
LH
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:57:59 (EDT)

LH~Wow...THAT was classy. You did not need ANYBODY'S help in showing your TRUE colors. Not pretty at all.

J-Mo~No worries Chica...We love you! {{{hugs}}}=)

Oscar~Yep! Cherokee is an incredible person. Some would call it *butt kissing*, but I call it well earned respect.
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:57:53 (EDT)

JMO...well, I didn't expect that from you! I DO believe that it meant more to angela to become freinds with you in order to hurt me! She even posted that it really hurt because she thought I had gotten the upper hand! I apologise for bringing you into the conversation...that was wrong, but I wish you knew how bad the whole situation has hurt me...I doubt if you really care at this point tho! I see alot of them has rubbed off on you and that is a shame...you used to be so kind and real...now...well, I just don't know, but I never expected to be called so many ugly names by you and I don't think it was warranted, though I'm sure you will be applauded for telling LH off!

And as for my board, YES, I am very proud of it! I said in my post that we had had problems there...I am not afraid to hide that fact and it has long since been taken care of!

Well, I honestly don't wish to carry this convo any further and since you have asked me not to email you anymore which I have respected...I will just leave it alone.
LH
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:55:44 (EDT)

"A FRIEND" what ever happened to adoption? Do you really think that anyone's life was made better by that young girl getting an abortion? No, she will forever be emotionally distraught by her decision and there will be one less infertile couple able to adopt a healthy child. She could have at least had the satisfaction of knowing that even if she wasn't "ready" to care for a human being, that someone else would have lept at the chance. That girl was selfish, just like SARAJ.
And you are a coward for not using your name. With all I am despised here, I still use my name...
You are just as bad as saraj yet worse because you are too weak to state your name.
Kudos to you Cherokee. I will forever admire your strength.
Oscar
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:32:40 (EDT)

ok, i'm PISSED.

LH how DARE you bring my name back up in your little plot to bring down angela and cherokee. you are a BITCH. straight up, no PC bullshit there.

since you graced us with your presence again, i made ONE comment about you, and have since then "ignored" you as you so sweetly asked me to(dripping with sarcasm). and i've done exactly that! for you to bring my name into your little tirade again proves SO much to me about you, and further more makes me think even LESS of you. i am DISGUSTED that i ever called you a "friend". why couldn't you just let it be? you can't, can you? you can't just roll over and forget about something. i have, and i've shown that by not responding to you or addressing you in ANY negative way. you crossed the line, you brat, and i am just appalled at your arrogance, cockiness, snottiness and boldness. you are a piece of work, you know that? i have respected your privacy and haven't aired all your dirty laundry (cause believe me, baby, there IS some) and you still can't just let it go?? does it piss you off THAT much that i am friends with cherokee and angela? cause let me tell you something, chickie, yeah i trashed them BEFORE but i was WOMAN enough to admit it. i didn't have to pretend. i apologized SINCERELY, and i believe with all of my heart that they are MATURE openhearted women who forgave and FORGOT. unlike you.

you bore us to tears with your holier than thou attitude about the board that you are head moderator on. whoop-dee-freakin-doo. you must be soooo proud of that accomplishment in your miserable little life. i guess you don't recall when you were fighting with EVERYONE on that board and wanted ME to join the board and pretend i didn't know you to "have your back".

my friendship with cherokee and angela far surpasses anything i had with you. they actually care about my life, and i know that for a fact. we have a sharing, OPEN, giving relationship. unlike the one with you where basically all i did was listen to you whine and cry, then deal wtih your tantrums when i didn't "have your back" on the board.

i am DONE with you, you actually make me sick to my stomach. let me get banned for that, i don't care because i would rather be banned for my honesty then be party to your childish, EVIL, sadistic ways. you are a whiny cow, and if i do get banned, believe me GIRLFRIEND it will be well worth it. pat yourself on the back all you want, if you can reach your back that is, keep on trying to start shit with me, angela and cherokee. i really don't give a shit, i know they are my friends OFF this board. you are just a sad, sad excuse for a WOMAN.
j-mo pissed off mama
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:31:27 (EDT)

Listen.. when I posted what I did earlier, I did not post any names, so why the flaming? (anglea and cherokee?) You both are wayy more to blame for the disharmony here than I when it comes to harrassing others, so why not just fess up to it? The only thing I have ever done is defend myself to the likes of you both when you were off on one of your manic posting sessions! You do the same thing to Saraj! You "bait" us until we feel we have to reply! I was never STFU (although there have been MANY times when I wish you would!) and I really could care less if you believe that or not! And you just love to make the "whining" comments, like I am not as much of an *alpha female* as you are, LOL! (JMO and I used to get the biggest laugh out of that one!) Yes, I have feelings for which you both seem to lack, but I am FAR from a whiner dearies! Never been much of a butt kisser either...don't have to! I certainly see quite alot of butt kissing by the both of you though and its sad if that's the only way you can keep friends! I also find it sad that the only reason you (angela)wanted a certain persons friendship was to HURT ME! I see through you very clearly and after you posted that you were more upset that I possibly had gotten the upper hand in that situation, I knew then that the friednship meant diddly squat to you! But that is her problem...not mine!

As for Saraj...she can hold her own! I never claimed to be defending her, but again..I could care less what you think! I would have the same opinion no matter who you were harrassing because I think you both are quite cruel and someone should be strong enough to call you on it!
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"You sound just like a second grader kissing up to teacher in Iggyland! Ugh. Secondly, thanks for getting back to me so quickly Tanya...I appreciate it"
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Haha! Now that's a good one angela! Man, talk about ass kissin!!! LOL!
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That is somehing that needs to be addressed here as well...there are a few posters that seem to delight in taunting just to flame another into replying!>

Exactly! So, with that said LH, you need to STOP doing it! Thank you.
angela
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Stop being so stupid angela! I never menioned your name...you are so PARINOID now aren't you? But then again, if the shoe fits...
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"You sound just like LH....tattling and whining....Grow up."
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I am far more mature than you...I don't go around starting fights with people and I don't play childish games with peoples emotions! I could go on and on! I will however, defend myself to the likes of you!

As for you cherokee...its a shame because I really thought that afer you apologised for making fun of my illness which BTW was about the cruelest thing I and a few others here had ever seen, that you might be turning around abit and mending your ways and that maybe we could begin a friendship! But yet you still take every chance you can to taunt me, calling me childish, bringing my daughter into the conversation and instigating that I am making posts here under an assumed SN! (Which I am not!!!) The person who posted as FREIND was not me and its a shame that you don't realise that there might be others here that feel the same way but are afraid to post with their real names because of you and angela!

Well, I might get banned for this...but of course, there have been many other posts tonight that have broken the *new* rules! I don't know if I want to be a part of this maddness anymore anyways! As hard as Iparenting will try to make this board what it used to be...it is sad that they will fail unless they get rid of the real trouble-makers here...the ones who are really causing all the problems and who cannot just leave things alone garnering much enjoyment out of harrassing anyone that doesn't agree with them! It's a shame that what once was a friendly place where ALL could come and voice their opinion without the fear of being harrassed constantly on a day to day basis (and even when they're not around!) is no longer! I don't know why some cannot just forget about thier petty disagreements and just agree to disagree! I am all for this, but do not expect me to just ignore the taunts and flaming that you post at me! If you could only see the forum that I post on (in which I was just promted to head moderator!) and the supportive, caring and kind people there! Oh sure, we have had our share of problems, but they are dealt with immediately and those who do not follow the rules or harrass other are permanetly banned! (And if they get a new IP, we ban that one too!) I'm just saying things could be better here...but only if you all want it! Personally, I feel the world can be a mean enough place as it is and anywhere that I can go to escape that is welcomed!

LH
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:54:37 (EDT)

See what I mean...there's no talking to either of you two.

ANGELA...The pictures of ANTHONY were form the DAY HE WAS BORN...I'd call that brand spankin' new...wouldn't you? WHy can't you belive that? So, you didn't like my prices on my birth videos...fine me some that are LESS EXPENSIVE...but that's besides my point I will make...you didn;t like it, right? So, this must mean you have the right to be a royal BITCH about it. Yep...that's it.

I have too much to do...company coming over. (I'm sure Ellyn will confirm this for you gals)

Bye for now.
Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 20:23:37 (EDT)

Actually Saraj...I thought your video was a bunch of B.S. for what you were charging, and I said the picture of your baby was NOT that of a brand-spankin'-new-baby. I'm sure it was Anthony, but not "right out of the oven". BTW~quite a few people thought you were *full of it* as far as MJ too. I never said you did not give birth at home...I actually believe I said at one point it was cool, just not my thing.

You sure talk about me an awful lot! Why are you so obsessed with me, and really, why do you CARE what Cherokee or I say or think? Don't forget, you tried to put what you thought was my personal information *out there* and intimated you knew MUCH more about my husband and children, so don't play such a victim.

I was not even THINKING in your direction today, and YOU started in on ME....so try not to make it seem so one sided. All's fair Saraj, but bringing innocent little ones into it is just sick. You are po'd that Ellyn called you out, called your bluff, and has the nerve to keep posting here. So what?? Many people would not have been quite so restrained had you talked that kind of trash about THEIR family. You were wrong to do that Saraj, pure and simple. But, as long as you want to continue playing the victim, and not owning up to your own BS, people will continue to talk to you in a disrespectful manner.
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 20:17:08 (EDT)

>Then you wrote ..
"I personally don't care what kind of person you are...my concern was for the
innocent people involved, kids"

Exactly what do you mean by this? Did you take something I typed the wrong way?>

Ummmm...no Saraj....we ALL saw what you typed about your little neighbor girl. We understood you perfectly, and you should be ashamed of yourself for tormenting a little girl.
Cherokee
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:58:06 (EDT)

LOL...Saraj...REALLY??? Whatever you say hon..

Gee...I guess I must have been mistaken. I thought I had some pretty good
friends here. Huh.

I'm sure if you say it long enough...it will be so.

TC! ;0)

angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:46:01 (EDT)

Cherokee...why are you so upset and dead set on trying to figure out WHO "a friend" may be? You should know why so many people don't want to put a name with something that may support me, or defend me...it's because of the nastiness and harsh garbage they'd have to put up with from you, angela, and whoever else. Some people just would rather not deal with it on a name-based level. So what? Who cares if someone doesn't put a name to it? So what if it IS LH? The fact is that , though there have not been many, there HAVE been womyn who were "scared" off or PUT OFF by some of you in this forum~so they left the forum and remained efriends with me. (and some just went on their merry ways) But, see , the difference with me is that I won't SAY who these womyn are and I won't try to get a little e cult together to try to gather info on you or angela and then come here to post it with them. In other words...I'm more mature.

That being said...I would like to say thank you to "a friend" no matter who you are. We need more people like you sticking around this board to keep it an evenly keeled place. Please stick around! :-) (And use any name you wish~I'm sure we all understand! ;-)

Cherokee (again) you said..

"But I DO see what you say
and do, how you mock all of us and our religions and upbringings, and how we
raise our children. That is what most of us go on"

If I ever mocked any of your beliefs here, it was in retaliation. And if you take my opinions that may be different than YOUR OWN as mocking, well, then I suppose that's how you'll see it no matter what. I'll tell you now so you know...I don't have a care in the world what religion you may be, or whether or not you're pro-choice or anti-abortion, or anything else for that matter. (I have many friends who are religious and against abortion in the real word...I still love them to peices!) Quite often, these things can cause a great big debate and it is essential for you and everyone else to keep it a healthy and KIND debate. When I first posted here, I got angela badmouthing me because I believed MJ was innocent..and then she called me a liar ...she didn't think I REALLY gave birth at home because my baby's head wasn't at all coned. This is not exactly a pleasant way to be to a newbie, is it?

Then you wrote ..
"I personally don't care what kind of person you are...my concern was for the
innocent people involved, kids"

Exactly what do you mean by this? Did you take something I typed the wrong way? Or, are you saying you think you should be concerned for MY kids? Now, if it is the 2nd of the two, this is not anything I wish to discuss with you. First of all, you have NO idea what goes on in my life with my kids...and 2nd ...something like that would call for one of the biggest debates ever...one of which would not be a good one to bring here since some womyn here have trouble having a healthy/mature debate. Remember, we must keep it nice here. ;-)

You wrote...
"Nobody is obsessed with you"

And all I have to say to that is...
Are you BLIND, girl?

You wrote...
"We go WHOLE weeks without
even bringing up your name."

My response...YIPPEE! This is a big relief!

Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 18:56:55 (EDT)

BTW "friend"...I found your piggly wiggly remark about your so-called
"example" stupid and characteristically prejudicial and close-minded. (LH). I guess
you *could* work at a Piggly Wiggly, if you were lazy and not-so-smart.

I had a baby at age 17. I didn't care who I made "look bad" or if my friends
wouldn't accept me, or if the father would "dump" me, or if I would never have
fun again. I thought, rather, It was the right thing to do, reputation be
damned, AND I knew I would just work my butt off to make it work. I CHOSE to NOT
abort, because I felt it was wrong to tear my baby limb from limb (however
small and underdeveloped, it still posessed a beating heart at 8 weeks when I
found out) and I didn't work at piggly wiggly. I worked at a bank. Like other
MARRIED WOMEN with kids, making the same money. HA! And....I went on to be a
FireFighter EMT (degree in Fire Science thank you very much). I got no help from
my parents, who threw my ass out. (Even though I had never done ANYTHING
wrong before, not even bad grades) They were snobs too. (like someone here I know)
I also didn't receive state aid (by choice). I never took any handouts, just
worked my little ass off. I worked three jobs while pregnant, finishing high
school in just 6 months my senior year. I was exhausted, it was hard, and I did
it. I have saved MANY lives as an EMT/Firefighter (and proud that I saved my
daughter's who is now 21. Not bragging, just stating matters of record.)
Blanket statements like yours really take away from your arguement and make you
look ignorant. FYI.

It can be done. If you are willing to WORK...

If people choose to have abortions that is THEIR decision - but don't say
those who don't are stupid, amount to nothings, (I know someone who had an
abortion and amounted to just that - nothing - still) who have 11th grade educations.

Kinda makes you look like the uneducated, uncultured one who doesn't get out
much.

Cherokee
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 18:26:03 (EDT)

>If you dont agree with the way a person is, why do you continue to read thier
posts. Ignore them.
Act your age ladies.>

LOL...."Friend" Ok...IGNORE it....this reminds me of that game you play on
the phone..

"you hang up the phone"
"no you"
"no you hang up first"
"no you"
"ok"

Then no one hangs up. HEHEHEHE. Too funny.

Hey donut. If you have been here as long as you say....how about the cracks
Saraj makes? Gimme a friggin' break. Just because some of us are pro-choice
and not just pro-abortion...doesn't make us the bad guys either. Come on now.
Accept everyone's right to express their opinion (wink wink);)

Off to par-teeee. DH has been eaching Fancipants how to Salsa. Should be
cute.

Bye now.

Cherokee
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 18:23:36 (EDT)

Is it not sad that when people come on to defend Saraj, and say they are here often, they never leave a name that all know them by? Almost like they are ashamed of themselves? Only ONE person here shouts GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, so it is not hard to figure out who that person is. Nice try LH. If you want to defend Saraj, then STAND UP and do it.
Another Friend
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:13:19 (EDT)

LOL Saraj...actually I really don't ever think of you when I leave this site.
You really do seem to think we are all so obsessed with you. I find that
somewhat disturbing, but hey, if you need to be your own best friend, that is the
way it is. And many secure WOMEN still feel pretty darn good about themselves
even when they are heavy. Maybe that was your experience, but to project it
onto Ellyn, well, not nice. I can tell you, if Ellyn says the things to me
that you have, well, I wouldn't be friends with her. But I DO see what you say
and do, how you mock all of us and our religions and upbringings, and how we
raise our children. That is what most of us go on. Again, when you say accept
everyone, that really means accept you. You don't accept anything about us.

So what if we email each other. I enjoy it. I personally don't have too much
time these days for anything besides my family and school, shooting off an
email to a friend is a nice way to socialize, and because it is long distance,
doesn't require a lot of time. It works great for my schedule.

I personally don't care what kind of person you are...my concern was for the
innocent people involved, kids. Some of us do work, because we don't live off
of others. We rely on us. Also, we use health insurance, instead of
state-sponsored aid. In order to do that, you need to work. I love the jobs I have held
and have always had jobs that have purpose, and are giving to the community I
live in, not just for the bucks. And..my kids are growing up great. When I
don't have to work I don't..nice try at your little (and I do mean little) dig
there.

I think it is really funny that you think I am obsessed with someone who I
thank goodness I am not. But hey, your "everybody REALLY does want to be like
me, everyone WANTS to hate me" is part of your narcissism. A little dose of
humility would do ya good. Nobody is obsessed with you. Because you piss
someone off and they respond is not obsession, it is simply a response. Do you
think you are so BIG that we all sit and talk about you...please...we talk about
Ang's kids' ball games, about my freaking hot weather here, my bitches about my
van breaking down, my daughter's boyfriend, my husbands family, Wendy's kids,
projects on our houses, what activities we are putting our kids in for
summertime, etc etc. Normal mom stuff. Not Saraj. LOL..We go WHOLE weeks without
even bringing up your name. Geez.

Anyhoo..I must run. We have a party to go to and I need to get out my Salsa
shoes. DH bought me a pretty halter dress for my birthday last week and I am
going to wear it tonite and dance my tail off. Later.

Kerri~ YEAH on selling the house...yuck on the packing. I love un-packing,
hate the packing.

Hi everybody...have a good weekend.

Cherokee
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:07:38 (EDT)

I come here off and on.
I have spoke with some of you from time to time and just wanted to say I have gotten along with everyone here.
With that said I need to just say I have alot of respect for saraj. I know that will not make me a popular person around here, therefore I have not left my name. I find it to be quiet sad that I am bothered by your nasty words. But then I see the viscious sarcastic remarks you all make towards saraj. I am appalled at the way some of you go on.
I have read it written here before and will post it here myself now..
If you dont agree with the way a person is, why do you continue to read thier posts. Ignore them.
Act your age ladies.

saraj- Kudos for you in the beliefs you have. I find it disgusting and quite sick that Angela would bring gossip she has heard about you onto this board. But look at the source. She has never really done much for me anyway. I find her banter to childlike and petty. You on the other hand have quite a bit of character. You come across as a women who knows who she is and feels good about it. I admire that. The good lord knows we need more people to be kind and open minded. Rather than raising children with guns and such.
I myself am 100% percent for abortion. I know a young girl that got herself into a bit of trouble a few years back and went against her religion and had the abortion. She is now in college and will graduate with her BA in Child Phys. in a few weeks. If she had that baby...well she would be another 20 year old girl living with her parents and working at Piggly Wiggly raising a 6 yr old child. I believed in her then and I still admire and respesct her decision. It is a woman choice to do with her body as she chooses. For so many reasons I will not go into anymore. But no one has the right to insult ones beliefs.

Well everyone, hope you all have a nice weekend.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!!
a friend
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:05:32 (EDT)

So Cherokee..are you denying that YOU have had days here where YOU have had enough and said things that aren't of your NORMAL character? Have you ever had a situtaion like that of what i have right now with Ellyn and Angela (and "Joyce"...who if is NOT Ellyn, then is the lady who likes to bring her dog over to torment mine so she can complain) When I mention people and their weight, I often go by how I felt when i was rather heavy. Sad, insecure, and miserable. Tis is quite often a reason for a person to do what Ellyn has done here, to me. Ellyn has told you all plenty of falsehoods about me. You , ofcours,e can believe what you wish, but since she is a NEIGHBOR who likes to share my personal daily activity with some of you, then I surly have the right to share some of hers with you. Yes?

Cherokee...why in the world do you even care how I live or what I do? WHy is it such a facination with you, and whoever else is in on this? Am I really that interesting? Do you really love to hate me that much? Or, do you use Ellyn and her negativities about me to feel that I am less of the person I claim to be?

You can see my voice about my children as a form of bragging. I certainly have bragging rights. What I see it as is that we do SO much and I share SO much that it seems to you I am bragging to reassure myself. You forget that my life revolves around my children. I don't have a job to go to , I don't hire babysitters for my kids, it is me and the ALMOST CONSTANTLY...so I like to come here to share exciting things..I like to update my websites, and I also like to "meet" like-minded parents. Just because You may not be this way surely does not make it wrong.

I still find some sickness in the way you all embrace Ellyn's gossip the way you do. I really want to know what it's all about..why the interest? I haven't lied about anything at all. I really DO think MJ is innocent. I really DO hate Bush as president...I really DO believe abortion is ok and moral, I really DO raise my children freely and openly. There's nothing to lie about...I'm proud of what I am , and what my family is. Don't hate me for it. ;-) I think we can ALL get along.

(But, Ellyn, you and I won't get along until the internet stalking stops)
Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:24:24 (EDT)

Honestly, LH...please. {{eyeroll}} Surely you don't expect all to believe
PERFECT YOU has done nothing? Come on. Again with the victim roll - doesn't
that get old? Be a strong woman and stand up, don't act like you have been the
recipient of so much brutality-you have been nasty too.

I won't forget about the STFU nonsense, very similar, oh yes, she liked to
post this EnJoY staggered lettering just like you...as far as alot of us are
concerned, you look just as suspicious as the next person. Come one LH, come
on...you know you have done it.

The post applies to everyone, including you. Don't think just because you
don't come out with a nasty word or swear, your words aren't just as irritating,
annoying, pissy and harmful alright?

Stop being such a snot. You are no better than anyone else.

And...if you will remember, I was posting LONG ago about the war effort in
Afghanistan, talking about my cousin and how he lost is life in that effort (he
was an Army medic) and SARAJ came on mocking our guys and gals over there, and
that is where it ALL went south, not just with Angela and me, but with
EVERYONE. Her anti-America stance at that fragile moment for me colored my opinion
of her. You can disagree with the war effort with saying things like, anyone
who goes over there to fight DESERVES whatever they get. Not cool. You two make
me laugh, you back each other up...like you are jockeying for CONTROL on this
board..(hmmm..isn't that what you accused me of?) I think you dig Saraj,
because she doesn't get along with the two people you argue with the most, Angela
and myself. So, be honest.

Grow up indeed. You have a kid in high school. Act like it.

Saraj..Yes that is right . We are all so jealous of you and your family. I
think you are not a secure peson, but rather, very insecure. Why do you need to
brag so much? I mean, about your kids? I think you are trying to just not
convince us, but yourself as well. We acknowledge your children are lovely. As is
Ellyn's little girl. Even children (and I don't believe for one minute you
are QUALIFIED to make this judgement or even should) with handicaps are
beautiful. Shame on you making fun like that. I thank God DAILY that I in fact, did
not END UP like you. That's right. Geez, what IS with all of the "you are
fat" I've seen you. You certainly have PLENTY of physical flaws, as does every
human being on this planet. Somebody has something on them they don't like.
...The whole "you are probably a fat raspy voiced EMT who smokes too much (never
smoked in my life, except pot when I had cancer 12 years ago) Yeah, you pulled
that with me too. But I emailed pics of me and my beau-ti-ful kiddies to
everyone here....they all know I am not..you are mean. So yeah, I DO, in fact
MANY do, believe what Ellyn says, because I can see through your posts that you
ARE ugly to her. You are ugly to everyone here, except the falsies you create
to back you up, and a few regulars who are neutral. Time will tell. Accept
everyone indeed. You mean accept everyone like you.

Cherokee
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:04:53 (EDT)

Actually, *Joyce* let us in on the...handout....you stole from the church. The rest?....YAWN.....Byeeee.
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:01:57 (EDT)

And yes, we sing...so what? My kids have beautiful voices and I wold never tell them NOT to sing. I, for one, would prefer a child's cute voice to an adult's loud obnoxious laughter and purposely loud talking, whcih is what I get to hear on a daily basis next door.
Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:00:32 (EDT)

Ellyn lies to you angela. We try to be nice to Ellyn's daughter. It isn't her fault her mom is the way she is. I suppose Ellyn didn't tell you about the day her daughter was playing with another neighbor kid and her daughter told the neighbor kid to KICK my 5 year old. (and he did) Well, because of this, that little boy is no longer allowed to play with Ellyn's daughter. Yet, my son still tries to say hi to Ellyn's daughter.

Um...window peeping is hard to prove. And BTW..I have a good relationship with the police around here. Seems you're getting some pretty one-sided and incorrect info, angela.
Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:58:01 (EDT)

Angela~ These aren't personal attacks...why can't you just be honest and fess up? You and Ellyn have a little email relationship and you love trying to upset me with your little "I know this about you" stuff. Don't try to pretend it isn't there. You can't possibly have GUESSED my son's best friend's name (Brock)...Gee...YOU got yourself caught. And how else would you have known about me getting an Easter "basket" two years ago from the church? YOU posted this information. I did NOT want that info out there...YOU chose to make it public. Need I go on?
Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:54:48 (EDT)

....AND, if you REALLY believe you have a neighbor "peeping in your windows" why not call the police?? RIGHT...just what I thought...you lie about EVERYTHING, so not even the police will believe what you say about ANYTHING.

What neighbor would WANT a civil relationship with you? If you would stop the vulgar language and singing, and quit allowing your children to torment the neighbor girl with vulgar singing and yelling, people in your community probably WOULD leave you alone. It is despicable, that you, as a GROWN woman, taunt a little girl and have taught your children to behave the same way. Grow up.
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:54:39 (EDT)

I have not even talked too, nor about you today Sara-Sue. So, why the personal attack? You can't PROVE Ellyn has done anything, so you are fishing. What you said about an innocent little neighbor girl WAS out of line, and you know it. The fact that she called your bluff, and posts here, drives you nuts. The only things anybody knows about you, is what YOU put out there. Stop being such a baby...."THEY did this, THEY said this, yada, yada, yada..." You sound just like LH....tattling and whining....Grow up.

angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:47:13 (EDT)

LH~ Thank you for noticing that, because so few do. I also want to commend you for sticking around here even with the negativity thrown in your direction.

So far there's two of us who are noticing something unfair here...anyone else?

Hey, I'm all up for making this a pleasant forum...a forum where one can speak her/his mind without being attacked or feeling like the want to attack another.
Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:30:45 (EDT)

Oh Wendy..PULLEEEEZE...What about the little comment made by angela telling Ellyn to ask "her neighbor" for help holding the ladder (with a wink) even BEFORE the comment I made? So, why do you think the things I have said about Ellyn are untrue? Why would you believe HER over me anyway? Is it because I'm not in your little group of email buddies...so , thus, the things I have to say are lies? How about all of the crap Ms. Ellyn has posted about me? What about her sending me viruses and pretending to be from Iparenting? (It's funny how that was never handled properly...or at all, actually) It so obvious that you have chosen a blank side. You are fitting into a group and it is making you feel important. Do you not think that Ellyn passing info on my personal life to angela and then angela freely posting it here without repercussion of any kind is immoral and unfair? Tell me, please, why angela is "allowed" her rude and absurd comments on this supposed free-thinking forum? Wendy , what about the emails you have sent to me? Your emails apologizing and then asking for a puppy??? Was I right to assume that you were only after MORE personal information from me to share with your little girlie group? Because, you sure had a lot of very personal questions for me. (Which I answered, but carefully) And I KNOW you shared what I DID write to you because angela knew alllll about our emails. You are a sorry spokeperson for this forun Wendy.

Ellyn is NOT a good person. She has all of you so wrapped. She is an unhappy person. She is jealous of me AND she harasses me online. Anyone playing this game with her is not a good person in my mind. I have tried too many times to get along with this lady. It's impossible, because she is so jealous of me. And until her ashtray husband quits peeping in my windows, and her internet stalking stops, there will never be a chance for her and I to even begin to be civil to one another.
Ellyn...Quit the baby crap..grow up...leave me alone. DEAL? I thought so.

Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:27:11 (EDT)

>That is somehing that needs to be addressed here as well...there are a few posters that seem to delight in taunting just to flame another into replying!>

Exactly! So, with that said LH, you need to STOP doing it! Thank you.
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:22:46 (EDT)

>I think one only has to read the posting guidelines to know what is appropriate here...how difficult is that?>

I am not paranoid of my posts being monitored either...with that said...Geez LH, please put a *sock in it* and cut the condescending comments, and veiled snottiness. You sound just like a second grader kissing up to teacher in Iggyland! Ugh. Secondly, thanks for getting back to me so quickly Tanya...I appreciate it.

angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:15:31 (EDT)

BTW...I forgot to add...Wendy, if you will scroll back through the posts, you will noice that the "digs" and "tee hees" began long before Saraj posted in defense! That is somehing that needs to be addressed here as well...there are a few posters that seem to delight in taunting just to flame another into replying! I know because I have been the recipiant of this on many occasion and you know as well as I do that one can only take so much before they feel the need to reply and clear themselves! I will not comment on this again, but I feel that in order to be fair, you must warn the people who instigate these sort of replies as well!
TC!
LH
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:12:29 (EDT)

First, I wanted to thank Tanya for her email. I think it is great that the Iparenting staff is keeping a closer eye on this board and am not "parinoid" about someone monitoring my posts one bit because I feel I have, for the most part been tolerant here and only wishing the best for the site! I think one only has to read the posting guidelines to know what is appropriate here...how difficult is that?

I do have one suggestion though, and since iparenting is making an effort to change things for the betterment of the board, could you start changing the question more often? I think that would help alot!
TC!
LH
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:05:41 (EDT)

Saraj The iparenting post was actually for you the comment that you made about Ellyn

Oh wait, as far as holding the ladder goes...um...I'm not so sure there's one that can hold you. *wink*

Was very uncalled for. This is exactly what Tanya was talking about. How can we ever get back to any normalcy when we have comments interjected by either you or a few others? I think that you need to lay off Ellyn and leave your grudge that you may have against her off the board. Frankly I am tired of it as is iparenting. Enough is enough and frankly none of us care to know what you think of her nor want to hear false statements about her any longer. Since I cannot prevent you from posting here, and even if I suggested it you would just post anyway, all I can do is forward your post to Tanya and let her handle it. Again keep it off the board, Ellyn is a great person.
Actually what is it about you that makes you want to make fun of people who are over weight? (did not mean you Ellyn) I actually happen to need to lose a bit of weight myself and really resent the fact that you like to make statements about us being fat lazy and what ever. Um you are on the computer as much as the next person, and as you can see by how infrequent I post I am not here much. That is because my fat behind is doing chores, playing with my girls and cooking dinner for my husband. I do have a life, I like the way I am, and I will be darned if anyone online who does not know me to tell me that being fat is ugly or that I am lazy.

Ok before I go completely off I need to go. My girls need me.

Wendy
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 13:45:14 (EDT)

"Like you Wendy and others...the negativism really turns this website into a joke...really that's how I found this site...I was told if I wanted a great diversion and read some people with little or no lives...check out this site...I have found some interesting individuals, some highly creative, some informed, some tedious, pompous, vain, self-effacing, condescending...and some that I would love to have as neighbors, others...well, no thanks...so..I will keep reading, and pray to God for your well-being. Jewel"

Yes, Jewel, so please don't perpetuate it with your own condescension. They are trying to clean up this site. By mocking it with " I was told if I wanted a great diversion and read some people people with little or no lives"...you are putting yourself into the mix because after all, (LOL) you are here right? Right. After all, if you consider our little site "slumming" you certainly don't have to be here. It would seem logical somone who is an unemployed single mom isn't in a position to throw stones at anyone else. Several of us have very full lives, thank you, have lots to offer, we just get irritated with idiots.

Cherokee
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 13:34:57 (EDT)

Hey guys...
Any ideas for a rainy day? It is just dd and I home today, both of us are sick, so maybe we'll end up just taking it easy. Anyhow, it is pouring, so no yard work, and the other stuff I have to do I can not until dd goes to sleep, so.... any fun make - do craft type ideas for a very soon to be 3 yr old??

Margarita
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 13:22:55 (EDT)

Jewel let me first say oh brother. Give me a break, really. I mean there was nothing in what I asked that made that sound negative and if you look in the archives things were worse before I got here. Anyway I thought that is what you meant. I am not the sensative one here. I just simply asked what you meant, then you go and blow that out of context. I don't hack at others as you so think. In fact I am totally the opposite as many here will attest. This is usually a constuctive website actually if you will look at last weeks question it was wonderful. So before you start pointing fingers and making blanket statements about those posting here I think then you need to watch more and judge less.
Wendy
email: soundoffboard@hotmail.com
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 13:22:49 (EDT)

Thanks angela...Wendy...you seem to be very sensitive...I have painted our two story house 4 times in the last 20 years and that means up on ladders!...It is dangerous work...voice of experience...and just an observation...on iparenting...I thought it was to be a "constructive" website...by that...meaning supportive...not hacking at one another. In fact...Like you Wendy and others...the negativism really turns this website into a joke...really that's how I found this site...I was told if I wanted a great diversion and read some people with little or no lives...check out this site...I have found some interesting individuals, some highly creative, some informed, some tedious, pompous, vain, self-effacing, condescending...and some that I would love to have as neighbors, others...well, no thanks...so..I will keep reading, and pray to God for your well-being. Jewel
Jewel
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 12:19:12 (EDT)

My family does not have a TV in our car. To me it doesn't make sense to get something in my car that I think they watch too much of while at home. We do take a DVD player when we go on vacations in the car.

Donna
Donna, iParenting senior editor
email: donna@iparenting.com
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 12:14:36 (EDT)

I just took some pix of Saygon and posted them on the Lab site...I made a few additional updates, too..check them out (I know you want to.) (Um, Angela, this means you, too)

http://www.geocities.com/nalaspups1/

My beautiful little girl and I are off to spend some time together. Hubby took the rest of the clan to work. He's so wonderful! It's raining here...wish it'd warm up! Sam's dance teacher invited us to her new house and we were going to swim! :-(

Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 11:32:41 (EDT)

Phentermine online
Phentermine
email: Phentermine
Arkansas ArgentinaSaturday, May 29, 2004 at 11:26:01 (EDT)

Ummmm....Saraj....the post from Tanya means YOU too.;)
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 10:46:34 (EDT)

LOL Wendy!=) Ellyn was talking about crawling up ladders to paint the high gables on her house yesterday...I think that is what Jewel was talking about...be careful when painting way up there on your house.
angela
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 10:45:00 (EDT)

Thanks Wendy ;-)
Saraj
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 10:34:27 (EDT)

OK I see that some did not read the post from Tanya. Now before I get totally upset and be "immature" about this I will post her post again for the sake of repeating b/c obviously some of you did not see it, so here it is again

Hello everyone! I just wanted to post a couple things before the weekend starts. First and foremost, iParenting has a commitment to its members to ensure a safe environment for all to provide feedback in a constructive and productive manner. When members are abusive, use foul language, or generally attack another’s character then we review the issue and take appropriate action steps. There have been dozens of complaints and issues that have arose into big ordeals on this board in the last couple of months. In the future we are keeping a much closer eye on this board and taking care of matters more quickly.
In order to makes the sound off board a safe environment for new and old members to come to visit we need your cooperation. The name calling, foul language and general attacks on other people’s children family or parenting style is NOT permitted!!! This board is here to voice your opinions in a tactful respectable manner. If there are any derogatory statements, attacks on other members in anyway or foul language used it will NOT be tolerated. You can disagree with someone in a tactful way.
We will do our best to make sure all concerns are addressed and again our goal is to ensure all of you a place to meet others and feel safe.

Thank you and I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!

Tanya from iParenting.

Tanya from IParenting

Thanks to those who are trying to make this board pleasant

Jewel what did you mean when you said "Ellyn be careful"? Just want to make sure I am reading that right.

Have a great weekend all!
Wendy
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 10:31:27 (EDT)

Hi all...just thought I would give you a little bio...I am an unemployeed mom of 4 kids, 3 boys and 1 girl. I did have a job in a factory but was laid off. My x left us about a year and a half ago...for some younger woman,long blond hair, tall, thin...etc. etc. Does he pay child support...yeah right... But we are a very happy family. I try to do as much as I can for the kids on a shoe string. I don't believe in "hitting up" the community for free things, but I have appreciated the fuel assistance. I have great friends who have helped so much...actually, I am in school for medical coding. I was lucky enought to not have my x take the computer when he left...anyway...I am a gardener and would love to share "growing" stories. Also, I live in an ancient house. I too painted the house all by myself...and was pregnant!!! Hope you all have a great weekend...and Ellyn...be careful...
Jewel
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 23:34:51 (EDT)

MARGARITA< great joke! i copied and pasted it and sent it on to others!

KERRI, that is great about your house! let us know if the deal gets closed!!

well i'm off to bed, got to work tomorrow!

talk to you all later!
j-mo mama
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 23:08:42 (EDT)

Hi ladies.
Ahhh Friday...
I wish I could feel relieved that it was Friday. Dh is leaving for the next state over at 4:30 am, and dd is starting to act sick - cranky hanky, coughing, snotty nose, not eating, etc. It might be a looooong weekend. Add to that I have stuff to do for her party next weekend, and a bunch of homework.
I got my first practicum assignment already for fall semester. I will be working in a 3rd grade class here, about 2 minutes away from my house, a minimum of 6 hours a week beginning on the first day of the new school year through the end of December (I think). I am still getting used to the idea of thinking in semesters. Yeah, that's right because I start my fall semester in August. Anyhow... I am looking forward to it. At the orientation the other night, the graduated students we spoke with made it sound like we can expect to do about 10 - 12 hours of practicum a week (they say it is hard to not do more than the min.), in addition to 3-4 hours of classes a day, 4 days a week, plus a good 3 or more hours of homework a day.

Anyhow, I thought maybe a cute joke would be appreciated about now, so I included one ;o). Hope you all have a good weekend - I am going to have a busy one - not much of a holiday.

Knock knock
A new pastor was visiting in the homes of his parishioners. At one
house
it seemed obvious that someone was at home, but no answer came to
his
repeated knocks at the door. Therefore, he took out a card and wrote
"Revelation 3:20" on the back of it and stuck it in the door.

When the offering was processed the following Sunday, he found that
his
card had been returned. Added to it was this cryptic message,
"Genesis
3:10."

Reaching for his Bible to check out the citation, he broke up in
gales of
laughter.

Revelation 3:20 begins "Behold, I stand at the door and knock."

Genesis 3:10 reads, "I heard your voice in the garden and I was
afraid
for I was naked."

Remember when the funniest jokes were the clean ones? They still
are!

"A cheerful heart is good medicine" (Prov. 17:22a)

Now, pass it on!!

Margarita
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 22:11:21 (EDT)

LOL Saraj. You are the biggest phoney of them all.

Enjoy your insults upon Ellyn while you can.

It's pretty easy to see who the loser in this drama is.

YOU.

Your days here are...numbered.

If I looked like you, I wouldn't be making fun of others.

Oh.."We're all different".

Watching You
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 21:12:52 (EDT)

Yeah...good news! We got an offer on our house today! Thank goodness...we listed the house 4 weeks ago to the day and thought it was never going to sell with 3 identical models also for sale in the sub-division! WOOHOO! Just wanted to say a happy "good night" and Happy Memorial Day weekend to everyone! :+)
Hugs,
Kerri
Kerri
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 20:59:12 (EDT)

Saraj -

I've never hidden behind a phony name.

Joyce
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 20:54:30 (EDT)

Oh wait, as far as holding the ladder goes...um...I'm not so sure there's one that can hold you. *wink*

---------------------------

And, I forgot to say...

HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY everyone!
(Yes my dear Ellyn, even you.)
Saraj
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 20:36:13 (EDT)

Hi everyone! Been taking a break from the pc..:-) We have so so so much to do this weekend! Auntie visiting, a few party invites to go to , and then a 90th birthday.

Mr. Falker...I'm dying to know who you are! :-) (Do you have my email address?)

I see "someone" isn't hiding behind a phoney name anymore. Good for you! ;-)
Saraj
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 20:33:55 (EDT)

Hi all, DH and I just got back from seeing "The Day After Tomorrow".

It was super cool...we thought the effects were very imaginative and done
well. Also, some nice sub-storylines woven in as well.

Tanya~ Glad to hear that you are making the rules the same for EVERYONE now.
Cool.

Margarita~Thanks for the email. You are sweet. School is...going to be a
journey. Love it.

Barb~Hey, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I 've seen way too much of the
ravages of that disease, personally and in the hospital. There's just not a
whole to say to someone suffering that way. Sometimes just "doing" is best
too. Everything is probably a fog right now to him...can't imagine living with
the knowledge I would have to say goodbye to my DH forever, Oh. When he reflects
back on this time afterwards, I'm sure it will warm his heart that you and
your DH have been this good to him :0)

J-Mo- I'm glad to hear Owen is improving. He will continue to stay in my
prayers.

Fatima~Girl where ya been? I have got to get your email addy's again. The
work email isn't working. Please send 'em to Wendy for me?

SCHOOL'S OUT.....FOR SUMMER! (remember that song). Kids are out...joy joy.
I'm kidding. Got some cool stuff planned.

I better run. DH dropped me off after the flick, he and Fancipants (Maddi)
are shopping with the Mano Poquito, I have got the house to myself, so I am
throwing in a load of laundry and doing homework (anatomy/physiology and
structural bodywork) . WOOHOO. Anyone interested in letting me practice massage on
them? Whose arm do I have to twist? J/k. Wow. School 4 nights per week
(6:30-10:30) for one year straight. No breaks. Whew.

It has already hit 100F today. {{sigh}} Hot.

{{hugs}}

Cherokee
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 18:29:15 (EDT)

Thank you Tanya!

Hope everyone has a great holiday weekend! TC!!
LH
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 17:45:39 (EDT)

Hello everyone! I just wanted to post a couple things before the weekend starts. First and foremost, iParenting has a commitment to its members to ensure a safe environment for all to provide feedback in a constructive and productive manner. When members are abusive, use foul language, or generally attack another’s character then we review the issue and take appropriate action steps. There have been dozens of complaints and issues that have arose into big ordeals on this board in the last couple of months. In the future we are keeping a much closer eye on this board and taking care of matters more quickly.
In order to makes the sound off board a safe environment for new and old members to come to visit we need your cooperation. The name calling, foul language and general attacks on other people’s children family or parenting style is NOT permitted!!! This board is here to voice your opinions in a tactful respectable manner. If there are any derogatory statements, attacks on other members in anyway or foul language used it will NOT be tolerated. You can disagree with someone in a tactful way.
We will do our best to make sure all concerns are addressed and again our goal is to ensure all of you a place to meet others and feel safe.

Thank you and I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!

Tanya from iParenting.

Tanya from IParenting
email: tanya@iParenting.com
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 17:00:50 (EDT)

LOL Ellie! Yeah, I DID mistakenly say *lady*. Oops.
angela
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 16:54:50 (EDT)

angela -

I DO have a neighbor lady that I would be more than willing to ask hold my ladder -- remember, you said "lady."

Ellyn
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 16:32:57 (EDT)

Ellyn~Troublemaker?!?! LOL!Well, I suppose you can always ask the neighbor lady to hold the ladder for you.;)
angela
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 15:57:15 (EDT)

Wendy,

I'm off to pick up my daughter from school, but I did drop you a quick e.mail.

Ellyn
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 15:43:36 (EDT)

Hey, Miss Angela. You must be a little troublemaker! Actually, the painting of the gables are potentially FAR MORE life threatening than mowing the lawn!! One one side of the house a 30-foot fall leaves you in the flower beds. On a second, you'd get stopped by the electric lines coming into the house. On the third, you'd fall onto the basement bulkhead. On the fourth side, you'd fall directly onto the concrete driveway. The older I get, the less likely I am to climb up to the top. The last time I was up there was in 2000.

Ellyn
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 15:33:57 (EDT)

ANGELA, lol, i'm a moron! actually i'm just a huge scaredy-cat of cats (pun intended). i have had so many bad experiences with cats since i was a kid. they seemed to like scratching me (did i antagonize? NEVER! lol!). then in college i had 2 roommates with cats from hell. i have heard not all cats are crazy evil creatures, but the ones that i was forced to live with were, and they have turned me completely off cats! i'm actually not a huge animal lover anyway. don't get me wrong, i would NEVER hurt an animal and i do appreciate my parents' dogs company and security sometimes, but i really doubt i'll ever own a pet.
j-mo mama
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 15:14:47 (EDT)

Barb~We have a Cocker Spaniel, and one of Mason's first words was *nice*! He is such a patient dog, and we have had him through two toddlers now. When Mason, and Dayton, were newborns the dog would come running to us whining as soon as the baby would start to squeak. He is very protective of *his* babies too, and growled at my mother the first time she went to hold Dayton after we brought her home...and he usually LOVES my mother! Mason used to grab the cat's tail too, and hang on, so he looked like he was water skiing behind the cat. It was pretty cute, and if the cat REALLY did not want the kids playing with him, he is more than capable of staying out of their grasp.

J-Mo~I think that might be an Old Wives tale about cats sucking the life out of babies. They will occassionally put their noses up to the baby's mouth, but it is the MILK they smell and want. Sometimes cats have been known to curl up with a baby too, mostly because they are soft and warm....but no, I don't know that a cat will purposely suffocate a baby. =)
angela
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 15:08:43 (EDT)

Angela/Marie, my dogs check in on my daughter. If there’s a storm or something, our younger dog will even sleep under her crib. They’re both very protective of her! They’ve been taking a beating lately, since she’s walking and running now, but they’ve really seemed to grow to love her. Did I ever tell you guys that her first word was “nice”? From birth we taught her to be nice to the dogs, and we’d take her hand and pet them nicely, saying “nice” and she does that all the time now! Even to me… she’ll pet my arm!

Thanks, J-mo mama.

Barb
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 14:08:48 (EDT)

hey all! thanks everyone for your encouragement about baby Owen! Today i got pictures of his parents cuddling him! how wonderful!

MARIE, i've heard that sometimes cats can be very dangerous with little babies. i don't know if it's suffocating or what. i personally hate cats (sorry cat lovers!) so i wouldn't know for sure, but i do know i would be very careful not to take any chances with baby Ryan's safety! maybe talk to others who have cats and small children and perhaps they'll have some advice.

hmm, nothing too exciting to report here! WENDY, it's been crappy weather all week. gloomy and gray but it won't just hurry up and rain! instead it just threatens rain all day which means my lying out on the porch catching some rays has been hindered! and i go away on monday! oh well, summer lasts for a LONG time here so i'm sure i'll survive!

BARB, so sorry about your friend's wife. there really isn't a whole lot you can do or say to comfort him during this terrible time. that's what sucks so bad, you want to help and somehow ease the pain or burden, but so often there is just no way to do so.

anyway, ellie, lyne, melissa, margarita, shawanda (where are you?), angela, cherokee, dawn, traci (still hangin' in there?), dallas (where did you go??), kerri have a wonderful holiday weekend!
j-mo mama
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 14:00:14 (EDT)

Marie~LOL! Our cat LOVES to sleep in the baby crib/cradle too! Before Dayton was born I had her little cradle all set up, and made so pretty,...and I ended up having to take everything apart and wash it again! We had the same cat when Mason was a baby too...he has NEVER jumped in while the little ones have been in their beds though. He'll go right up to the crib, and look in at the baby(almost like he is checking to make sure things are o.k.), but he has never jumped in with them.
angela
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:59:13 (EDT)

Miss Ellyn~Do you find painting your house to be as *life threatening* as mowing your lawn, or less so? Hee!Hee!Wink!Wink!=)
angela
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:54:18 (EDT)

Thanks barb! but we have that same one ( the one the cats actually get through ) I dont know how they do it, but they do.His crib is actually in the middle of the room so I imagine they must jump from the floor.
I have a feeling this may be a losing battle with our cats. I dont think they would go in there if he was in there but,it's a pain to have to wash everything constantly just becouse of cat hair.
Marie
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:50:00 (EDT)

Marie, I don’t have cats, and my first thought was to use one of those crib tents. Did you try the kind like this?: http://store.babycenter.com/product/nursery/nursery_accessories/crib_accessories/1444

I’ve never used a crib tent, but you can read the user’s review on that one if you’re interested. Ha, actually this is the first review: “If you own a cat - buy this!
We have two cats who seemed to like the crib as a nice cosy place to hang out while the baby was not in there. Not wanting to take a risk that they might jump in there while our son was in there, this product has bought us peace of mind. Keeps cats out and keeps baby in.”

Do your cats use other furniture to jump into the crib, or do they jump from the ground? I guess if they use other furniture, you could move everything away from the crib, but I don’t have much input if they’re jumping from the floor.

Barb
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:39:50 (EDT)

Jessie,
I find your thoughts to be very disruptive.
Do you yourself have a problem here? Or is it just me that intrigues you so....

Please fill me in on your thoughts.....
Ask Angela for my email address..she knows who I am

a bunch of love to all of you....kisses to you marie
Dawn
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 20:29:16 (EDT)

This post here is not from *Dawn*

First of all she would NEVER give Jessie her email, and second didn't her last post say that her work was done? Actually this fake *Dawn* sounds a whole lot like another who likes to give her email.

Also Jessie Mr Falker hmmmmm and so on, your time here is limited. Just FYI. You seem to have just sealed the deal on getting banned. DO you think that no one is watching??? PLEASE. Tanya is doing a fantastic job and soon you will see the benefits of just what she can do!

I will be checking in over the weekend but not too much. My m/s is really bad and my kids are sick, so I will check in later.

Angie LOL no worries

Barb hello

Ellyn nice to see you here. Email me when you can.

Jmo hey there hows the weather?

Talk to you all soon

Wendy
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:35:38 (EDT)

Hi Everyone,
We dont have to worry about an association as far as what color you paint your house or keeping your garage ddor closed at all times, but we live on a large pond and there is an association for the pond, we can only have electric motors on our boats, no gas motors whatsoever. and they are quite picky on what material you build your dock with. They ask you not to fertilize your lawn, but (Shhhh) we do anyway.

Anyways, does anyone have any hints how to keep cats out of babies cribs? Ryan still sleeps in our room in his bassinet but we are moving him upstairs soon to his nursery,our bedroom is downstairs his is upstairs in a loft, it is all open up there so we cannot close a door to keep the cats out, meanwhile his crib has been their official bed, I had to rewash all the bumpers and linens becouse they were embedded with cat hair ( gross I know) we have 3 cats and I even used this cabana netting that you snap on but they still got through it!!!
Marie
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:32:36 (EDT)

Ellyn, thanks for all the info. It sounds like a beautiful old house. It also sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you, but you seem prepared. Good luck!

Barb
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 12:33:24 (EDT)

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