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The first high school exclusively for gay, bisexual and transgender students will open this fall in New York. Should this idea be implemented in all states?

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hi all. we are still enjoying normal non-hurricane weather, but that will be short lived as we should be waking up tomorrow to crazy winds and rain. by lunch time the winds will be over 150mph and that may last for 6-8 hours. so this fabian bastard is no small storm, as i'm sure you've heard...

we have prepared as much as possible, boarded up windows etc. the rest is now in god's hands!

we did go to the beaches today and take videos of the incredible surf. absolutely glorius. my mom took some pics so i will email them once it's all said and done. don't want to give fabian any glory for the gorgeous waves etc until he is outta here!!!

take care all and thanks for thinking of me! LH miss you tons and can't wait to email again!!!!
j-mo
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 22:45:14 (EDT)
Hello all--I must say this is a tired topic, however, I would like to add that it is state funding that is providing for this school and that is what is so appalling. Sure, it would be nice for all red head, all glasses wearers, all hispanics, etc... to have their own schools, but if they want to pay for it (private schools), who cares? I think that is what should be considered is who is paying for it....
diana
email: xx
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 22:42:34 (EDT)
we named our first son "sage"...
sly
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 20:06:20 (EDT)
An all gay high school is going against everything that so many people have fought for. If they insist on keeping the all gay high school then they need to open up an all Christian high school, an all Jewish high school, all Latino high school, all piano players high school, and so on. You can see how rediculous this is. If you choose to put your child in a public school situation you choose to have everything that goes on in that school as part of your childs life. Good or bad. Thousands of kids are made fun of each day for many many different things. If this is the reason for the gay school then by all means open one but don't forget that kids are cruel to overwieght kids so they need a school too. They are also cruel to kids with glasses when your in elementary school so you better start a glasses only school. And on and on and on.
Judy
email: idmommyof2@joimail.com
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 17:21:36 (EDT)
JMO...hope your staying safe from ol' Fabian! Do you think it will hit straight on or just cross over abit? Certainly hope it won't be as bad as Emily, but hope you are prepared! Try to get some pics to post if ya' can...even tho these things do so much damage, I still am in awe of them! (I've been through one only once in my life..it was amazing!)
Well, you take care and hope you can keep us posted as how you are "weathering the storm"! :-)
LH
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 17:12:19 (EDT)
J-Mo: Thanks for the congrats. I'm actually almost 7 weeks along (my life goes in weeks now that I'm pregnant - its too funny). I've been feeling great up until this past two days. Now I know what morning sickness feels like! Actually, it's been all-day sickness. Anyway, this is my 1st, so I'm really excited...and nervous. I love the name Micah. One of my husbands close friends is named Micah...haven't thought of that one for myself though. I'll have to run it by him tonight!
A Goodwin
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 16:36:43 (EDT)
well we are still awaiting the arrival of massive hurricane fabian (i have a feeling this is a name i'll hate for years, as i still hate emily from hurricane emily that battered our island in 1987!).

goodwin, where are my manners? i totally forgot to congratulate you on your "bun in the oven"! this is your first child, right?? well congrats and i hope you're feeling great. when are you due? i have a daughter, but some boys' names i like are micah, zachary, jacob........just some input for you!!

take care and thanks all for keeping me in your thoughts as we brave this horrible storm. hopefully i won't be out of touch for too long, but one just never knows.....


j-mo
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 16:20:45 (EDT)
New question, please i Parenting. This one is beyond talking about.
Lyne
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 15:50:18 (EDT)
Aqua,

While we seem to agree that opening this school is ridiculous I should remind you that it is the gays that want this school, not straight people who are trying to segregate them out. So while those historic events you mention are tragic, it is comparing apples to oranges.
PJB
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 13:38:06 (EDT)
Opening a specialized school for homosexuals, bisexuals... is insulting! It is as if as a society we are segregating them for being who they are. This new development illustrates our retrogression and further degradation of another human being, obviously something humanity will never get over: the conquistadores and the Mayans, Incas,... the English over Ireland, the Moors over Byzantine, North Africa, Spain, the Roman Empire over Egypt, the Egyptains over the Jews, the Anglicans over the Puritans, the Puritans over the Catholics,... and so on... the racial issue of black or white- which is ridiculous beyond a doubt because we, as homosapiens sapiens, don't even have a race category, anthropologically. We have cultural differences and OOPS, a difference in the amount of melanin however 99.9% the same stuff. So I guess new to the list is sexual orientation, something that can't be helped 'cause I love broccoli, the color of tropical shores blending with the deep, perhaps we should open a specialized school for those that only like broccoli.
Aqua
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 13:11:35 (EDT)
My husband likes the name Sage for a boy. I am totally against this, as it reminds me of baking a chicken! Of course, I know I'll have the final say...whatever that may be. I think the hardest thing about boys names, is that they are so darn generic. We want our babies to be unique - try to find a unique name for a boy in a baby book!

Jeez...this topic is one of the longest running. The webmaster must be on vacation.

J-Mo: BE SAFE. I'll be thinking about you.
A Goodwin
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 08:43:33 (EDT)
I am absolutely appalled to be amongst a society of such judgemental and discriminatory "Christians"! True Christians know that the Bible teaches tolerance, acceptance and most importantly that their is only one judge, God himself. I myself am a Christian, Catholic to be exact, and no I'm not gay. I don't know if homosexuality is right. But you know what, I don't care! Let a person live their life the way they want! If homosexuality is wrong then they will have to deal with God when their time comes. The bottom line is that EVERYONE is a sinner so just worry about getting YOURSELF thru the gates of Heaven! Opening a school only for gays might not be the best answer but until the ridiculous violence in this country stops then all options should be explored. NO person EVER deserves to be harmed because of sexuality, race, religion, etc. and if it takes a special school to stop or even reduce that then so be it.
LY
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 03:30:12 (EDT)
Hi JMO!!! Sure have missed you on here...not to mention I've been neglecting my emails :-(

You take care and watch out for Fabian...jeez, what a name!
LH
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 02:38:47 (EDT)
Duke~ just curious: I have only heard of one other family with a father and son who shared the name David and the son was called Duke... made me curious (you never know how small the world is) are you in your early 20s and your dad is a very well respected attorney? That would be weird if you are the same person I am thinking of, but perhaps this nickname is more common for David than I think. Also, if you will have noticed, my husband is the one who wanted to give our child a "weird" name - I wanted something Irish or from the Bible. I don't think it is fair to say "you women".
Margarita
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 00:01:47 (EDT)
my name is actually DAVID...a real name from the bible mind you. I was called "duke" since my childhood since my father is David also.
duke
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 22:59:25 (EDT)
DUKE~ You women? What makes a name gay? I honestly would like to know. Would you make fun of a kid's name? I should hope not.
sc
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 17:49:16 (EDT)
j-mo~ good to e-see you. Hope you brave fabian well - what a name!! LOL
Angela ~ lol one of my best buddies used to have a dog named Duke. ;) Did you see what my dh wanted to name our daughter if she had been a boy? Force. Yes, he would have been getting some harrassment for sure. What will I do when we do have a baby boy??????
LH~ glad I could get a chuckle!!!
A Goodwin~ well said. I considered not answering some of those too but they just got me ANGRY which was their point I am sure. I am going to be nice and not say anything more about it.
Margarita
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 16:25:16 (EDT)
Hi J-MO! Glad to "see" you here!=) Hurricane huh? Nope, those are not fun. To me they are like a tornado that does not end for three or four days. Hang on & batten down the hatches! Good luck.
angela
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 16:19:15 (EDT)
hello long lost friends! i haven't been on FOREVER because i'm just about ready to take this (brand new) computer and throw it out the window! i have had nothing but problems with this darn thing....UGH!!!

anyway, good for you goodwin by deciding not to respond to those ignorant, mean posters who are saying such horrible STUPID things. personally i am not in favor of this school or gay marriages, and as a christian i have some problems with homosexuality, but my goodness, why all the bashing and hatred??? that makes me sick!

let's all say screw those idiots and not bother responding to that crap. ignore ignorance!!!

hope everyone is good..LH miss you lots! angela, kiss those babies for me..we're getting ready for hurricane fabian!!! HELP!! take care all, i will post again if my little island doesn't get washed away with the storm!
j-mo
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 14:27:43 (EDT)
To I Hate Stupid People: For your information, I have been a long time poster to this board. I'd love to know who you really are, if you are a regular poster. Webster's Dictonary's definition of Race: A body of people united by a common history. If there is anyone who needs to engage their feeble brain, it is you.

To Fags and Lesbos are Nasty: Again, I feel sorry for you.

Everyone has their right to their own opinion about gay people, but to say that they need to "beat up"...well, that's just plain ignorant and sad.

I will no longer post to the gay-bashers on this board. I have better things to do with my time than to fight with such sad individuals.
A Goodwin
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 13:54:34 (EDT)
Duke--What is traditional about your name? It sounds like a name for a canine. What "gay" or strange baby names are you referring too? When you can carry & deliver a baby, you will probably get more say in his/her name. Until then, at least in MY house, I got the final say in our children's names. Though--I do have to agree with you on one point--some children DO have names that just scream "please beat me up." I actually know a man whose name is Gaylord, and he prefers to go by "Gay" ever since we were in first grade. Go figure?!
angela
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 13:18:57 (EDT)
No time to read all the posts today...from what it looks like it would be a waste of time anywayz! Had to say though, MARGARITA, I loved your post about farting in the campfire...LMFAO...yes, us women certainly can teach our kids a thing or two about farting! LOL!
LH
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 12:58:40 (EDT)
Regarding the high school exclusively for gay, bisexual and transgender students, it seems to me to be one of the worst Ideas I have ever heard. Have we not learned from history? Should we have special buses and fountains, and restaurants too? Hell why not set aside some land where those of the unheterosexual nature can live! It is a never ending cycle of paranoia and ignorance. I would rather my children integrate with everyone, learn and know not to be afraid of alternate lifestyle choices. By segregating everyone, we keep ourselves from understanding and establishing tolerance for one another. We continue to fear that which we do not understand. Segregating our gay, bisexual and transgender children from society, under the guise of "it will be easier for everyone", is only a soft sell for racial/religious/lifestyle segregation and bias. In the long run I really believe it will do more harm than good.
Annastacia
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 12:56:47 (EDT)
In case anyone missed it and is wondering why people are talking about bad driving, here it is again:

OK everyone! Since the board isn't posting a new topic, I thought I would so that we have something new to talk about...Here it goes...

POLICE LAID MANY CHARGES TO MOTORISTS OVER THE LONG WEEKEND, SOME FOR SPEEDING, OTHERS FOR CARELESSNESS OR NO INSURANCE. IN ONE INSTANCE A WOMAN WAS ORALLY "PLEASURING" THE DRIVER, AND IN ANOTHER THE DRIVER WAS WATCHING A DVD WITH HIS CHILDREN! HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING DANGEROUS BEHIND THE WHEEL THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE? WERE YOU CAUGHT? (feel free to use an alias!)
Hopefully you will all find this entertaining until the next topic is revealed!

NEW TOPIC
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 11:59:42 (EDT)
My dad was telling me a story once while he was driving when a cop pulled him over. The cop thought he was drunk but my Dad doesn't drink! He was apparently swerving. When the cop asked for his insurance he couldn't find it! He knew he had it in the car somewhere but couldn't remember where. Thankfully the cop just asked him to fax it in within 24 hrs. As the cop was pulling away he found it in a little cubby hole in the car! I love my Dad, but he can be really clueless!
Rosalie
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 11:57:08 (EDT)
geeeez what a bunch of hateful posts. I think one person is posting under a few different screen names, or a little group of juevenile friends perhaps? Anyhow, as for saying that homosexuals will rot in hell, well perhaps but we all have the same risks especially with hateful attitudes.
Margarita
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 11:24:21 (EDT)
Since when did this become a gay bashing board?
To show this much hate is sad. Remember that everything you say and do, affects your world too. I would hate to have all that hate coming back at me.
Riley's Mom
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 10:57:50 (EDT)
Call me what you will miss A Goodwin. They are all nasty, and maybe a good swift kick in the ass might help. Racist? No, gays are gross and nasty, and shouldnt be parading around like its accceptable, its not, and never will be! NO MORE GAYS NO MORE GAYS
Fags and Lesbos are nasty
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 10:09:49 (EDT)
A Goodwin,

Since when is Gay a different race?? That would be necessary for "Fags and Lesbos are Nasty" to be a racist as you claim. Please do us a favor and engage your feeble brain before posting to this board.
I hate stupid people
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 09:36:36 (EDT)
Why are we even arguing about this. ALL FAGS WILL ROT IN HELL ANYWAY!!
Straight Fist for the Queer Face
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 09:31:25 (EDT)
To Fags and Lesbos are Nasty: No, I think YOU need the crap beat out of you. Why dont you take your racist...YES, RACIST...attitude to another website. People like you make me sick.

As for the new "topic", the craziest thing I've done in a car is drive it, by myself, across country at the ripe age of 18. When I think back now to when I did that, I'm sure my parents where sweating bullets with fear. At one point, my car broke down in a snow storm just past Aspen Colorado. Luckily, my car made it out of there... but to think how close I was to disaster. Wow, the things we do as teens!
A Goodwin
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 09:20:26 (EDT)
Why do you women insist on choosing gay names for you children now a days? What is wrong with "tradtional" names? They are so much better. The babies of today are going to get beat up in high school with these odd names you all seem to choose.
duke
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 09:12:01 (EDT)
Where or where is the new question? This one is beyond wore out.
I mess with the radio way to much when driving too!
Lyne
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 09:00:45 (EDT)
Hey everybody. Looks like this topic is getting pretty "tired".
So to the driving dangerous question....I can't say that I have. The most dangerous thing I do is fiddle-faddle with the radio and swurve a little. But of course there is usually no one on the road while I am doing it. It's like they almost know when I am going to be driving.

So why is it that the baby name ballot on this site hasn't put my name up yet? With all the new parents who put their names in, I may not get mine posted 'till after I have my baby, or my second, or my third...... Maybe I should just post my names here and have you all pick one. (For those of you who have no clue of what I am talking about.....don't pay attention cause sometimes I don't even know what I am talking about.) Okay so here are the names if she is a girl: EMMA RYANNE YVONNE
EMMA RAEGAN YVONNE
EMMA ROSE YVONNE
and here are the names if he is a boy: ETHANIEL MANOAH
ETHANIEL PAUL
ETHANIEL WILLIAMS
(Ethan for a nickname.)

sc
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 08:45:10 (EDT)
LOL I was coming back to say sorry for all my spelling errors and wouldn't you know it I typod my name too only caught it in time to correct!!!
I used to put my make up on in the car but not when it was moving - I had an hour long commute and lots of LLLOOONNNGGG stop lights so I started doing mymake up at the stoplights. It was still irresponsible, even though I didn't make any trouble I stopped doing it.
Margarita
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 01:25:53 (EDT)
Oscar ~ I plead the 5th.
As for my comment about being hypocritical - well two things: a) I didn't say you specifically were a hypocrit I said most Christians, myself included and b) I guess I didn't explain what I meant clearly enough by hypocrit. When a person condems another person based on a sin they are quoting from Bible, yet fails to recognize sin in their own life (and let's not forget that all sins are equal based on the Bible) I personally see that as hypocricy (sp?? can't remember right now but you get my drift). Bear with me as I am pointing fingers at myself and if you see yourself here, great I got you thinking, if you don't see yourself well I am sorry if I offended you.
Margarita
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 01:22:10 (EDT)
About the gay and lesbian school...Do childern of that age really know their own sexuallity? I am not aganist the school..I just think that it should not be common place. What goes on behind closed doors is nobody's business, and childern at that age should not be doing anything behind closed doors. So I ask again. Do they really know their own sexuallity yet?
tami
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 22:39:52 (EDT)
I think that all Gays and Lesbians should have the crap beat outta them, maybe it will knock some sense into them. They should not have the same privlidges as woman and man, for obvious reasons. Gay marraiges should not be allowed, thank God they arent. Stop the madness now! NO MORE GAYS NO MORE GAYS
Fags and Lesbos are nasty
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 20:25:07 (EDT)
I am not hypocritical when it comes to the bible. It says that homosexuality is a sin and I am not a homo.
PS I am glad you fart around the campfire too, it makes for a more enjoyable evening dont you think?
oscar
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 19:36:44 (EDT)
I have a friend who completely applies her makeup every morning in her car. She actually got stopped by the police because she was weaving and he thought she was drunk!I'm a terrible driver myself, though, so I probably shouldn't complain about her driving.
April
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 17:45:13 (EDT)
hi, i would just like to say that i think this kinda of school should be offed in other places besides newyork! Cause i know where i live, when people are different like bi-sexual or a lesbian or gay they get made fun of alot! I dont think that is right for people to make fun of other people because they are different! If they had this school offered then gay people and bi-sexual people wouldnt get made fun of and they would be with people like the way the like to be and not get imbarssed and made fun of!
Lauren
email: rebelchick6666@aol.com
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 17:40:56 (EDT)
I once fell asleep at the wheel also - thank God no one got hurt although I did bump into a car as I came to as halt - ended up paying the guy back myself for the 2500 in damage done to his car to keep it from my insurance company - yikes!! I did some spectacular 360s as I overcorrected myself from going off thehighway which had a steep draw below it. I was sooooo lucky and immediately rectified the problem of why I was soooo tired.
Margarita
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 15:51:45 (EDT)
OSCAR:

Some responses to your statemenets...

- How can a woman teach a son to piss standing up? ...Well, Oscar, that would be called potty training...something most women teach ANYWAY.

- Who is going to teach him to sit around a camp fire and fart while having that first drink mom won't let him have? ...Well, Oscar, it was my MOTHER who let me have my first alcoholic beverage AGAINST my fathers wishes. And as for farting in front of a campfire...duh, like I guess MEN are the only ones who fart. PS - My father, a man's man who owns his own car shop NEVER farted around us. I guess that's just something YOU think is cool, huh.

- And who is going to teach him how to drive and do donuts in a parking lot that could potentially save his life in bad weather some day? ...Well, Oscar, I would assume that driver's education would teach a kid how to drive...but, I learned to do doughnuts with my friends in parking lots. At age 16 I certainly didn't drag my PARENTS out to have fun. That would have been totally uncool.

Oh, and Oscar...Ray might be young but he definitely doesn't sound stupid. You think you've got such a good grasp on reality and what the
A Goodwin
USATuesday, September 02, 2003 at 14:48:46 (EDT)
Oscar~ do you have specific first hand experience with this or are you just assssss uuuuu mmmmm ing that scenario? Just because a person is homosexual doesn't mean that they are stupid... I think that same sex parents are smart enough to realize that kids do need some influence from their same gender and if the parents are the wrong gender, there are other outside sources of that influence. What do single parents or widowed parents do? You are also making assumptions that all woman don't fart around campfires (well whose going to admit it?) let their underage child drink in a supervised environment, or have excellent driving abilities. This sounds not only homophobic (your germs comment) and sexist. I am not saying you are these things, just how your posts sound. Your right about the Bible saying homosexuality is wrong, but I think you are abusing it to promote your view as it also says we are not to judge ... but I guess I can forgiv eyou of that because most Christians, myself included, can be very hypocritical by quoting the Bible and not living up to the same standards for ourselves!! We mere humans are broken beings and we do broken things though...
Margarita
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 12:49:22 (EDT)
I once drove to see my boyfriend after a night shift and I fell asleep at the wheel! I woke up a couple of seconds later and I was on the other side of the road with a van not too far away. Luckily I got into my own lane in time, but that was the scariest thing that ever happened to me. I learned my lesson to have a nap after my shift before going anywhere!
Sleepy
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 12:40:56 (EDT)
New Topic...I am about the safest driver you would ever come across these days! (my own mother who actually is an old lady says I drive like an old lady, LOL!)BUT...in my younger, stupider, and more adventuous days I was quite drunk one night and decided to drive myself home...my boyfriend was following behind me in his truck and the light changed before I could make it so I put the car in reverse and backed up...then the light changed and not knowing I still had the car in reverse, I proceeded to back right up into my boyfriends truck!!! Luckily there were no cops around and a few friends of ours saw what happened and one of them drove my car home for me! As I said though, those were in my younger/stupider days...I would never ever even consider driving with alcohol in my system nowadays!

Where is everybody? Hope iparenting changes the question soon! TC!
LH
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 12:17:18 (EDT)
ray...well, you just need to grow up and see what the real world is like...
oscar
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 09:00:03 (EDT)
Oscar:: for being a believer in god you are a real hateful person but anyway I wouldnt care if my friends wanted to go to another school but if they are making a homosexual school they should make a goth-atheist and satanic school too. And make it in Washington!!!!

Ray
ray
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 23:03:21 (EDT)
I believe that it is a good idea for such an open minded action for homosexual teens. I am a teenager myself and I have a few friends that are gay and a few that are bi sexual. I have no problem with them nor do I feel that they need to be sent to another school. But if my friends wanted to go to a school that has other people like them then I completely support the new idea.
Ray
email: frautricky@aol.com
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 22:52:01 (EDT)
Ok your saying that the kids will be all messed up just cause they come from a family with the same sex parents.. What about the kids who parents are divorced and oly live with the one parent or who's parent had died and the other one just never bothers dating atleast not that the kid knows of.. wouldnt that mess them up to? since they wouldnt see the roles of both parents? isnt that what u said?
sarah
email: Hellsangl728@aol.com
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 20:15:49 (EDT)
OK everyone! Since the board isn't posting a new topic, I thought I would so that we have something new to talk about...Here it goes...

POLICE LAID MANY CHARGES TO MOTORISTS OVER THE LONG WEEKEND, SOME FOR SPEEDING, OTHERS FOR CARELESSNESS OR NO INSURANCE. IN ONE INSTANCE A WOMAN WAS ORALLY "PLEASURING" THE DRIVER, AND IN ANOTHER THE DRIVER WAS WATCHING A DVD WITH HIS CHILDREN! HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING DANGEROUS BEHIND THE WHEEL THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE? WERE YOU CAUGHT? (feel free to use an alias!)
Hopefully you will all find this entertaining until the next topic is revealed!


NEW TOPIC
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 19:46:42 (EDT)
you can disagree with me all you want, but the matter is pure and simple. Even the bible condemns it! If any of you have any sort of religious upbringing, you will agree that homosexuality is wrong. And sorry to disagree with the post that said two homo women can raise a "man". It can't be done. Tell me how a man is going to know how to teach his son to piss standing up? Who is going to teach him to sit around a camp fire and fart while having that first drink mom won't let him have? And who is going to teach him how to drive and do donuts in a parking lot that could potentially save his life in bad weather some day? Sorry, but it's not going to be some homo woman! If anything, he will grow up to be very respectful of women, yes, but not know how to hang out "with the boys". Something that socially should be instilled in every growing man while he matures. Again you can say the same with two homo males raising a little girl. Who is going to teach her how to put on make-up? How to deal with pain in the ass girls? How to deal with her first period? A man who never went through it? I dont think so people! I know I wouldn't know the first thing to say!It takes a man and a woman to create a life, just as it takes a man and a woman to raise a life.
oscar
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 19:41:56 (EDT)
Oscar: Your post stating " gays to spread their homo germs to all our kids. Gays should not be allowed to even speak about their sexuality in public!" is just plain ignorant. I grew up in a heterosexual dysfunctional family, and I can tell you that all I really cared about as a child is being given love. Heterosexual, homosexual, black, white....doesn't matter. And as for speaking about their homosexuality in public...that would be called the First Amendment. If you dont belive in that, them not only are you ignorant, but your obviously un-American.

Uh oh...I have a few gay friends....I guess that means I must be gay now. Because, you know, it's just so catchy!
A Goodwin
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:45:15 (EDT)
Oscar...I'm sorry, but I have to disagree...I would think that in a gay marriage the person "assuming" the role of the man would do a fine job teaching a son how to treat women! Maybe could even teach them better than a MAN! I have seen a few kids come from gay lesbian "marriages" and they are very kind and thoughtful to others! They are not "messed up " at all, as I have seen several kids coming from "normal" households that are so messed up they cannot ever be a productive member of society!

Margarita...kudos to you for being so truthful!!! I have struggled with this for several years now (since someone gave my child alcohol in MIDDLE SCHOOL!Arrgg!)but am re-thinking it now that she is older! Not many people will give their true, honest opinion on that one! Thank you!
LH
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 14:28:32 (EDT)
NO! Students should not be segregated in any manner. They need to be taught to get along with everyone and this begins in the home. Are we going to have separate HS for blacks, Hispanics, Jews, women, short people, overweight people....etc, just so the student can feel "comfortable" and not be ridiculed??? This is going too far.
Tina
email: ICU4west@aol.com
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 08:37:04 (EDT)
margarita-how can homo parents be good parents if they cannot show a kid the proper way to behave and act? Roles are something that are learned by watching and emulating. If you have a son in a lesbian marriage, who is going to show him the "right" way to act "like a man"? Sorry, two homo women do not know how to do it. The kid is going to grow up messed up! He is also not going to know the "husbands" role in a marriage. Same goes for the opposite scenario.
oscar
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 07:21:15 (EDT)
Absolutely they should have gay schools in every state!! This will help those awkward adjustment years that have been so cruel for non-heterosexuals.
Tanit
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 05:41:23 (EDT)
Oscar~ it pains me to direct negative feedback to you because of your name =) my childhood buddy of 15 yrs was named Oscar.. unfortunately I had him put down when he developed a malignent tumor and surgery only resulted in regrowth.... don't take that the wrong way ;)
I am sure you are a nice enough person, but why oh why do you think gay people are spreading germs around any more than heterosexual people? Many gay people are wonderful parents so I am curious about your statement: is there a specific event that happened to make you feel this way?
Margarita
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 03:22:31 (EDT)
LH~ I think if a parent is ok with their teen drinking in their home or another responsible adults home, fine, but no way should a parent host a drinking party for teenagers whose parent's are not aware of what is going on. I think when kids are allowed to drink as part of normal life it does away with the whole big deal. Example, a glass of wine with mom and dad at dinner. What I am not talking about is at family reunions, etc (my hisbands family goes nuts teenagers drunk, etc). What would make me happiest is if kids didn't think it was such a big deal to be drunk, because that is when the trouble starts.
OK, I wanted to say to Milliet ~ most of what I posted in that last post wasn't neccesarily directed at you. I wasn't even posting about homosexuality really, just responding to some basic issues about sin that were brought up during this debate/discussion. Since homosexuality is what had been being *discussed* that is what I used as an example. I'll get off my religous soap box for a while now =).

Margarita
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 03:16:58 (EDT)
I think it's time for a new question iparenting...please!

But until then...How does everyone feel about parents who let their underage teens drink or host underage drinking parties (with rules!)in their homes?

Opinions?
LH
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 00:25:38 (EDT)
hell no! Why should we all pay for the gays to spread their homo germs to all our kids! Gays should not be allowed to even speak about their sexuality in public! Keep it to yourself!

And you all are talking about gays having children?? Worst thing we can all do to the gene pool! To do this is to pollute the gene pool more than it already is. Survival of the fittest people...Darwin states it correctly. If you can't have a child by "normal" means then you are not meant to contribute to the repopulation of the world. Sterilize yourself if you claim to be "homosexual"!
oscar
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 21:30:42 (EDT)
miliet~ first of all let me state just in case you didn't read all the way down to where my original posts are - that I am not bashing gay people. Yes, homosexualtiy is a sin and so is pre-marital sex, aka adultry. If you want to you can read the Bible to find out for sure what the sins are according to Christianity. There are many. As Betsy said, they are all equal. Without Christ's salvation every sinner would indeed burn in hell. If you don't believe in Christ, then this shouldn't concern you so I hope I haven't offended anyone. I am quiet confident that without J.C. in my life, I would be burning in the afterlife. Sinning is a constant battle because no matter how much we try we will sin because no one can be perfect. There is a quopte in the Bible that says what God really wants is our hearts, that is what he is really after. To me this says that if J.C. is truly in our hearts and we are trying to follow His example we will find salvation. Hope I haven't bored you all and I didn't meant to turn into a preacher, but I felt I should answer this.
Margarita
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 17:26:55 (EDT)
Personally, I think it's not the greatest idea, though I am a bit split on it. Simply because with all the budget cuts we need to concetrate on keeping the schools we have up to par. On the other hand, if my son were homosexual I would prefer him to go to a school that is only for homosexual students. If only because I think it would save him the teasing and bullying. I know alot of people out there will be saying that it'll make him a stronger person to put up with the bad students--but I don't think that's the case.


Cindy
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 15:26:54 (EDT)
LH--Yep, that was me you were talking antiques with. =)
angela
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 14:25:29 (EDT)
Hi!
I do not think this idea is great.
I personally have great admiration for gay people who present themselves as they are and live their lives fully according so.
BUT, segregeting groups of people is in no way helping them.
I was (and still sometimes am) being made fun of at school;
having had some support I can now ignore these thing or respond to them according to the situation and I think it has made me stronger.
If I had been in a school where everyone likes to learn, read, wear glasses and looks a bit dorky, I wouldn't be able to act and survive in normal society.
I don't think, whatever your religion is, that homo/bisexuality is a "sin". Most people now don't wait 'till they are married to have sex, will 3/4 of the population burn in hell for eternity? I don't think so!!
You don't "encourage" or "discourage" homosexuality.
You *usually* just accept it. A straight couple abusing a child isn't any better then an homosexual couple abusing a child. Nor is an homosexual couple better parents then a straight couple.
Not all Gay are nice as not all Straight are.

Thanks,
miliet
email: miliet@sympatico.com
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 12:55:42 (EDT)
Betsy...just curious..out of all the posts here, why did you pick mine to respond to? At any rate...thank you for the thoughtful insight!
LH
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 10:53:56 (EDT)
In response to LH-
A while back you commented that we dont always get what we pray for. It's true that sometimes God does say "no".
But when you pray for salvation, you receive it, whether or not you believe you're saved from that very moment or not. If you ask for a way out of temptation, God will provide a way out. It's your free will -your decision- after that.
Yes, there are many things we dont understand. Cancer is a terrible thing. Being cured of Cancer and being set free from sin are two different things, though.
Jeses never said the road would be easy when He asked us to pick up our crosses and follow Him. It seems those crosses get mighty heavy at times; I know mine does.*L
Also, I will say that God is faithful. Even when we relapse back into sin, His love is unchanging. So, for a saved sinner to give into temptation is not a complete failure-- just a reminder that we can't go thru this life without the covering of salvation and help from the Lord. Don't let one "no" allow you to stop asking God for things. Maybe His "no" is a "not yet".

And to everyone else, this "Bible thumping Christian" agrees that all sin is sin in God's eyes and He hates it all. I'm not saying homosexuality is any worse than stealing or gossipping. I am a sinner, my friends are sinners, everyone in this world is a sinner. None of us are better or worse than the other. When Jesus was here on Earth, He hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. In that day those were the people that everyone thought were below the others. When asked why he didnt dine with "better" people, His reply was that these (sinners) are the ones He came to save. (Not a direct quote obviously on my part).
I know some "Christians" who don't associate with anyone who doesnt share their beliefs. I dont think that's what being a Christian is all about. I have friends from all walks of life. I love them and pray for them, the same as I do my own family. But I dont teach my child that their ways are "right", or even OK.
That's what upsets me about this tolerance thing. Yes, we should love every person because God created them. But if your neighbor is out stealing cars, are you going to teach your children that stealing is OK?
I say, teach them what the Bible says. ALL of the Bible, the parts that tell us what is wrong, and the parts that tell us what is right.
I dont believe in segregation is school. Especially the segregation of the Bible in schools. That was what lead to this demise. We took it out of our schools, and look what happened.
What's next?- an island in the ocean somewhere for all the homosexuals to live? Would it be next to Thief Island and Liars' Island? Maybe God didnt like labelling, so He just called the whole thing "Earth".

Betsy
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 08:58:39 (EDT)
Margarita...yep, I think this topic is pretty much "spent"! I guess that was Angela I was talking antiques with...I am so sick of looking at Ebay and trying to figure all this out! Sure hope my stuff sells! I would wait to buy aother bird, too...sounds like you have your hands full with all those animals! They are so cute, though! Well,you TC!
LH
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 03:00:52 (EDT)
LH~ I meant to say thay I think you posted to me a little while ago meaning to post to Angela - so if she hasn't answered I bet that's why - she is the one you were visiting with about antiques.
I saw a hyacinth makaw (sp) today on the movie Dragonfly and it made me so sad... I feel that someday we will have a parrot again but having 3 big animals whose vet bills can add up fast is enough for us now - trying hard to be responsible about it =) and to be honest, there were days that Matt didn't get the attention he deserved because of dd, work, horses, etc. As much as I would love to have another one now I think it would be best for everyone to wait. While I was looking for info on what may have made Matt sick on the CAG sites, I was very taken in by the babies with their big black eyes and the photos of the healthy happy birds, so different than Matt the last few months...
Well, I guess I have blathered on off topic enough, but I have pretty much said all I have to say about this topic.
Margarita
Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 01:35:29 (EDT)
I think it is too bad that there even has to be a separate school for kids who are gay or transgender. It just boggles my mind that someone has to feel embarassed about their sexual preference and that other people are making them feel this way. Highschool is hard enough.
Jenn
email: tvolkes@mnsi.net
Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 23:56:45 (EDT)
Isn't setting up a separate school for people that are gay, bisexual or transgender considered segregation?
What would the difference be if America set up separate schools for Hispanics, Asians, whites...etc?
Separating people and/or singling them out because of the way they are and treating them different is going backwards with the whole momentum of what America is.

Hank
email: here@there.com
Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 23:49:55 (EDT)
Margarita...I can understand you wanting to wait for another bird or maybe getting a smaller one or two! Finches and canarys are great...and they make such beautiful music! I would deduct a little from Matts cage due to wear...but get most of what you paid for it back! Those big cages aren't cheap (Sam has one) so I would make sure to advertise it several places! Goodluck!
LH
Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 18:49:07 (EDT)
Lauren- My post reads "It is possible..." If you would like to really know more, please consult your manual first. It is called the Holy Bible and as I suggested before, talk to a pastor so that he/she can consult and pray with you. God is the answer, no matter what the question is.
LLK
Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 00:59:02 (EDT)
LaDia ~ I am of the opinion that we all truly need God.
Margarita
Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 00:31:57 (EDT)
Margarita--we named our first born daughter Miranda too! However, there was a spelling error on her paperwork, so her legal name is Maranda. When we saw the spelling, we liked it and decided not to correct it--some people think her name is really original, and have no idea it is really a typographical error!=)
angela
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 22:46:17 (EDT)
NO, there should not a school like that in every state. I think that it's a pitiful shame that they have that one. What is this world coming to besides an end soon, and real soon? I feel that it is a sin to be homosexual/bisexual. People who are homosexual/bisexual truly need God.

LaDia
LaDia A. Jones-Singh
email: andria23@midwest.net
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 20:49:06 (EDT)
LH~ not that you would require an explanation, but I have lamented our finances so often that I felt I should explain: before we dediced to have a family I used to be a Realtor, and was quiet successful at it - just didn't feel that I could really fit it in with being a mom - apt at all hours, working weekends all the time, etc. Things are alot different now with me working part time only and going to school plus added expenses of a toddler. Again, I know you weren't thinking about it even but I felt funny posting how much that cage cost when I know I gripe about money on here someitmes.
Margarita
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 20:32:56 (EDT)
LH~ I think if we get any more big birds it will be a long time coming. I was looking at some CAG websites last night looking for an email address, I feel like unfinished business since we don't know what Matt Bird was sick from. No, not really ready for another one for emotional reasons as well as we just plain have too many pets as is. 5 cats, a dog, 3 horses. Well, this is actually a small number for us, at one point about 5 yrs ago we had 8 cats, 3 dogs, 3 horses and a parrot. Whew. Maybe later when we are done having kids and the horses are all trained I would feel like getting another big bird as I would have more time to dedicate to it. We already decided we should sell the big cage ASAP to prevent any impulse buys. I have no idea what to sell it for though - it was close to $800 new but it has a few small spots where Matt chewed off the paint and there is a little rust - not visible but if you start looking really close as I was the other night scrubbing every inch down with a disinfectant (don't want to pass any thing on to anyone else). Matt was never a messy bird, so cleaning the bottom of the cage and swiping it down with hot water every few days kept it clean, never examined it that closely before. Also the gutters were lost somewhere. We never used them because they always fell off and we got lots of bumps on our knees because of them. I have been conisdering maybe getting a pair of two small birds, little finches or something sothey could keep each other company and I could still enjoy them - and Miranda loves birds - she is still asking reapetedly for "Manny". I have many photos of him and one of them I give to her whenever she asks for him. She seems to be satisfied with his photo for now.
Margarita
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 20:27:58 (EDT)
LLK, Wow, I must be adopted since Im a lesbian and my parents are both 100% Hetrosexual. I have always wondered about that, thank you for clearing it up for me. How do you explain the fact that my oldest biological child is 18 and heterosexual as are all the foster children we have raised.

Lauren
Lauren
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 19:56:00 (EDT)
It is possible for kids to be born homosexual. It's called a generational curse. Homosexuality falls under a root spirit called the "Spirit of Perversity" (see Isaiah 19:14). Talk your local pastor for information on how this can be broken in your own family and how you can help inform others.

A school for these students is a very bad idea. Children have enough problems without segregating them into such groups. Didn't we handle this problem 30 years ago?
LLK
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 18:21:28 (EDT)
Well I live in California. The school Budget was cut this year by 8 billion dollars . We dont need to be building special schools for some students due to sexual preference, they need to worry about the ones that they have already. I am in no way against anyone for their choice in sexual partner, color of skin, religion, etc , If you take students who are gay and put them in separate schools it is teaching them to run away and not face the reality of the world we live in. What needs to be done is teach all of our children to respect everyone no matter race, sexual preference, etc. Just like back in the good ole days when segragation and racism was in full force, loook now. Things have calmed down people are a lot different, there are still racists and prejudiced but not like it was. People need to learn respect and pas it on to their children. Everyone should be treated equally, just because you opinion isnt theirs doesnt mean you should treat them as a lesser person or someone unworthy of equality, It is THEIR personal choice not yours so why are you getting your panties in a bunch about it? Live your own life. Let everyone live theirs whether it is with a man a woman or both.
Amy A.
email: aim101175@hotmail.com
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 15:30:11 (EDT)
All this baby talk is making me sooo jealous! My "baby" has gotten taller than me, can pick me up now and often gives me advice! LOL! I feel like I have resorted back to being the child sometimes! LOL!

Now who would name their kid Kermit...oh I know...a frog!!! LOL! But I do love the name Olivia and Liv for short...I'm a huge Aerosmith fan and that is Steven Tylers daughters name!

Margarita...I wrote in my journal for the first time in way over 9 months last night...thanks for reminding me! :-) Also I was wondering if you were considering getting a new birdie...I know it's probably too soon and hope I don't upset you! I was at the pet shop today admiring all the hand fed babies they had...one was an umbrella cockatoo (3 months old!) and it was crying like a little baby for someone to hold it...so precious! I would stay away from them for a pet, though, as they are very delicate (feather pluckers)and require alot more care than most birds! Also had some Quaker parrots and I feel in love with this one that climbed on my hand and didn't want to get off! I can't have anymore pets right now, so i had to be strong! Well, TC all!
LH
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 15:14:32 (EDT)
A Goodwin~ I love the name Olivia. I just bought a simple spiral bound winnie the pooh notebook for my dd and started recording at about 3 months along I guess. I recorded how I was feeling almost daily throughout my pg and I still write her little notes to tell her about her latest cute things and also some of her not so cute things. We got a winnie the pooh keepsake box and baby book and I keep it all together.
Margarita
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 13:37:04 (EDT)
I'm sorry, but opening a school just for gay students isn't going to help them...it will hurt them in the long run. I know that no one wants to be an outsider, but come on...deal with reality, and the fact that the world is a diverse place--not just gay or straight! Sooner or later these kids will have to face the real world outside of school.
Heather
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 12:13:12 (EDT)
A Goodwin--HA! Aren't those name books just a kick? We've all been introduced to somebody and upon hearing their name asked ourselves "WHAT was your mother THINKING??!!" Some mothers should skip naming their babies and simply put a "please beat me up on the playground everyday" sign on the poor little things back. =) Of course, some people may think my children's names are strange too, so to each their own I guess. A little girl at my baby's daycare yesterday asked why we gave our baby girl a "blucky boys name." (Dayton Faith) Her mother told her some names are more "original" than others--but in a really snotty tone. You want to know what this little girls name is?--It is Khesad! I'm still wondering where the mother got off being snotty over Dayton's name! So, I guess that means there is a mother out there that thought Kermit was a beautiful name! (She's probably green and hops a lot.)TC all!
angela
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 11:10:32 (EDT)
Thanks Goodwin,

The "capiche" thing is slang I picked up from a good client, thought is was cute, but i understand now how you interpreted it as rude. I appologize. Just like with email, while i type i "hear" my own tone as I am trying to communicate it, but it does not always translate as intended to the reader. I will be more mindful.

pjb :)

PJB
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 10:14:09 (EDT)
PJB - No worries. I was just a bit thrown by the last word you said in your post. And by the way, I did read the posts. As stated before, I was giving info on the amount of homosexuals in America, and she had mentioned to AGR that the world is a large and diverse area. I assumed she was talking on the same lines as I. But you know what...whatever. This has gone too far and I'm done. I'd like to get along - K?

About the pregnancy: All - thanks for helping to subdue my anxiety about the morning sickness. I guess I will knock on wood that I'm not getting sick...especially since I work and it wouldn't be a very nice place to get sick at. Anyway, my husband and I think that if it is a girl, we are going to name her Olivia. I think Olivia Goodwin has a nice ring to it. Then I can call her Liv or Livvy for a nickname. I'm going to hit Borders tonight to see if I can get a journal. I really should have done this last week, but I've been so busy telling people...I forgot. Anyway, I keep on getting on websites for boy's names...and I think some of them are way out of touch...we're having fun picking on the lame names like Kermit. Now come on, who is going to name their kid Kermit?


A Goodwin
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 09:57:21 (EDT)
Whatever Goodwin, my post wasnt NOT nice, just matter of fact. you are obviously reading too much "emotion" into my response.

so you dont get in a twist, maybe before you start telling people to go back and read posts you might do the same and then we wouldnt even be having this discussion??? Just a suggestion. I am not trying to be a snot, seriously, no hard feelings.....

And Riley.....you are the ONLY regular poster who is is consistently condensending and rude. Every time your comments are questioned you come back with sarcasm and snide remarks. Grow up.

PJB
Friday, August 29, 2003 at 09:31:34 (EDT)
Philbert~ I agree with what you are saying... but I haven't really noticed alot of Christians on here saying that they sins will be judged differently - perhaps I am reading posts too fast.
A Goodwin~ I didn't have morning sickness period with my daughter. I'd be counting my blessings if I were you... and knocking on wood (jk).
Vinnie~ I don't understand what your question actually is. I think it is normal for children to argue more with their same sex parent.
Margarita
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 22:05:12 (EDT)
Margarita...sorry it took me so long to reply...I had a crazy day too! I am getting ready to sell part of my occupied japan collection and some of my hubbys old toys on Ebay...already set up my account and everything...just in the process of taking pics of them and deciding on prices! Did you say you had done that before? Any luck?

Also the journal idea is a great one! That's neat your mom kept one! I started one when I was prego with my daughter, but didn't keep up with it as well over the last couple years...she will get it when she starts a family someday too! TC!
LH
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 21:55:04 (EDT)
A Goodwin--I was going to add to the website Riley was talking about. I went to Pregnancydaily.com with my son, new baby, and eldest daughter--You just follow the directions and enter the first day of your last period, then have it stored as a "cookie." The sight is wonderful! It will tell you everything going on in days/weeks with you and your developing baby. Now I go to Babycalendar. com, and it tells you all sorts of things for each day of your baby's first year. Pregnancydaily.com is GREAT for a first time mom, as it talks about all sorts of things that most first time mom's have questions on. Oh--not everybody gets morning sickness--you may have none with this baby, then be sick for nine months with your second pregnancy. Count your blessings if you don't suffer from it yet!=)
angela
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 20:54:57 (EDT)
amen lauren . thank you
agr
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 20:33:26 (EDT)
PJB: Chill. I was confused because I wanted to know what kind of "authority" you you thought had been taken away from the schools? The only authority I can think of is dicipline. THAT's why I asked. And the only discipline I can think of that has been taken away from the schools, is the schools right to discipline by force. I dont even care to go in this direction. I just asked a simple question. Thanks for your oh-so-nice response.

And as for the Riley post..I misunderstood. No biggie..CAPISHE!!

A Goodwin
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 19:42:23 (EDT)
Ok. I would like to ask all the parents there advice in this situation because i need a lot of help. OK i apologize for doing this on a parent site but i posted it on some other teen sites and no one could help me, my name is Vinny and i am 15 i live with both my parents in new jersey my family is scattered throught the east coast most in brooklyn and new york, my aunt lives in nc and my uncle in fl. I visit most of my family every now and then not too often though. Now to my current situation and question. I visited my aunt she is gay i have no problem with that i love my aunt for who she is. she lives with a woman and she has 2 kids 1 10 the other 14. i love all of them as they were family. Now my dad has a problem with my moms side of the family he always has something to say about them and this seriously hurts my feelings (i would agree on some subjects that they dont use there head sometimes). i have told him this many times. we are currently in therapy and i was diagnosed with adhd and 1 or 2 complicated mind diseases (meaning others like add and adhd) my father has many symptoms of ocd (oppsessive compulsive disorder and add both confirmed by therapist) my first question is i would rather live with my aunt in north carolina then with my parents. my parents are not always fighting but they bicker as with most normal families. but i notice that my father complains about my behavior more than my mom. she says that i am so much like him and thats what causes me and my dad to fight then he fights with my mom. If you know either the answer to my question or are willing to help me please email me at vinny@punkqed.com and also once again i apologize for doing this on a parent site but i posted it on some other teen sites and no one could help me
Vinny
email: vinny@punkqed.com
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 18:54:53 (EDT)
Ok. I would like to ask all the parents there advice in this situation because i need a lot of help. OK i apologize for doing this on a parent site but i posted it on some other teen sites and no one could help me, my name is Vinny and i am 15 i live with both my parents in new jersey my family is scattered throught the east coast most in brooklyn and new york, my aunt lives in nc and my uncle in fl. I visit most of my family every now and then not too often though. Now to my current situation and question. I visited my aunt she is gay i have no problem with that i love my aunt for who she is. she lives with a woman and she has 2 kids 1 10 the other 14. i love all of them as they were family. Now my dad has a problem with my moms side of the family he always has something to say about them and this seriously hurts my feelings (i would agree on some subjects that they dont use there head sometimes). i have told him this many times. we are currently in therapy and i was diagnosed with adhd and 1 or 2 complicated mind diseases (meaning others like add and adhd) my father has many symptoms of ocd (oppsessive compulsive disorder and add both confirmed by therapist) my first question is i would rather live with my aunt in north carolina then with my parents. my parents are not always fighting but they bicker as with most normal families. but i notice that my father complains about my behavior more than my mom. she says that i am so much like him and thats what causes me and my dad to fight then he fights with my mom. If you know either the answer to my question or are willing to help me please email me at vinny@punkqed.com and also once again i apologize for doing this on a parent site but i posted it on some other teen sites and no one could help me
Vinny
email: vinny@punkqed.com
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 18:54:36 (EDT)
PJB- Yawn......


A Goodwin- Don't worry about the morning sickness thing. When I was prgnant with my son, I wasn't sick at all. It was wonderful. As long as your not sick, I say enjoy. An old wives tale also says that if you are pregnant with a boy you won't be sick, but with a girl you will be. They say a girl takes her beauty from you, while a boy enhances it. ( like I said an old wives tale but in somecases turns out that way). Just to mention a really good place to go is actually on IPARENTING. They have message boards for when you are due. And they continue to when you have the child. They are really nice to be a part of. (EX. Born in Jan 2000) I'm sure you probably already found this but here is the link......
http://iparenting.com/interact/index.htm


It's close to the bottom of the page entitled DUE DATES

Hope you find itas enjoyable as I have found mine.

Riley's MOM
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 18:30:42 (EDT)
Greetings all

Just read a few dozen of the last messages on the board and it brought a couple of issues to mind...

First, to the bible thumping Christians out there--God does not have a rating system for sin. You are no more damned for being gay than you are for being a pick-pocket, until forgiveness is asked or not. I am a Christian who believes that homosexuality is against what the bible teaches, but having several friends and or coworkers who are gay, I also believe in outward tolerance, as God also demands. So while we are all busy hurling rocks at each other, let's see who truly is without sin...

My other thought revolved around a financial issue. Is this new school funded with tax dollars? If it is then I say no way. All this "minority rule" garbage has to be stopped, period. The U.S. and Canada are DEMOCRACIES and tax dollars MUST ONLY be spent on things which the MAJORITY of people want. But if it is totally privately funded then it really becomes none of my business. Have a good one, everybody. Toodles!
Philbert Flange
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 17:59:23 (EDT)
AGR, This is in response to 2 of your comments. First, your comment to Brandi, you wrote, "you must be lesbian to be to pissed off over someone thinking that gay relationships are wrong". I’m not quite sure how you came up with that one, as I am a lesbian and you stance on my relationship does not piss me off, it saddens me to think of all the wonderful people you have chosen to cut out of your life, this is your loss not ours. And the second comment of yours I would like to respond to is "i am not hateful towards them, do not call names" and "i said gays were freaks". Well, I have never heard of being called a freak as a term of endearment. I do take offense to this, as I am not a freak. And while you may not have said that you hate gays, this is what your messages are sounding like. Please don’t start again with the "no matter what you say i wont change my mind" crap. I am not asking you to change your mind. Frankly, if you never accept us and or want to speak to another one of us again, our lives will be a lot brighter.
Lauren
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 16:41:42 (EDT)
Goodwin:

I feel I clearly answered your question below already....discipline does not mean corporal punishment. I did not bring discipline via force up so i am not sure where you are coming from. If you have read the papers or listened to the news or talked to a teacher in the last 10 years you would see that the kids are running things, not the teachers. Teachers get into trouble from the board because parents are up in arms if THEIR child gets scolded, or suspended. The mentality is that they think THIER child can do no wrong an no one is going to convince them otherwise. If parents would let the teachers DO THEIR JOB, and yes removing disruptive students should be part of their job, then the majority of these problems of teasing and harassing would be solved. I am not sure how to further clarify my point....

Regarding your other question...my discussion with Riley has nothing to do with your N. America statistics. Her post to AGR(?) was : "America may look big from where you stand, but this is a large world full of many people, all with their differences. And, I'm afraid to tell you.....they outnumber you!"

If you read her entire post and the relevant exhange between the other poster it clearly has an "us versus them" attitude. I really am not trying to nit pick this anymore. Riley knew exactly what I was talking about and has replied accordingly.

Capiche?


PJB
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 16:38:19 (EDT)
PJB: Where were you going, then, when you stated "give authority back to the schools and then we wouldnt even have to entertain the thought of "teaching tolerance". What kind of authority were you talking about? I absolutely took that as discipline.

PJB/AGR: If you read the posts, Riley's mom was originally responding to information I provided to AGR regarding the number of adults in North America who label themselves as homosexuals. She was in no way insulting the USA I live in. Even if she doesnt agree with all of the US policies...who cares - either do I. Does that make me a bad person? NO! Also, if you travel outside the USA, MANY people state that they are from America, when in fact they might be from Mexico or Brazil. I realized this when I went on my honeymoon.

Angela: Thanks for the congrats. Yup, my DH and I are on cloud 9. Anyway, I have NOT had morning sickness yet, which is kind of making me nervous. I mean, not that I want it, but I just hope its not a bad sign. I've been addicted to "baby" websites, and one said that it might be an bad indicator. I'm not going to stress about it, though. I'm only on week 5...going on 6.
A Goodwin
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 16:18:52 (EDT)
I don't think it's right! I personally don't care if someone is gay, straight, whatever. What you do in your bedroom is your business not mine. However, why seperate the 2?? Might as well seperate the kids into ethnic group too. Give me a break!
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Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 15:58:18 (EDT)
BINGO!!!
LH
Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 15:58:08 (EDT)
New here and have been reading the comments about this week's question. I read a comment by MB a ways down and the statement made sense to me. Just because someone is made fun of or given a hard time, does that mean we need an entirely separate school for them??

So do all the kids who are made fun of for being overweight need a separate shcool? Or all the kids who are thought of as dorks, nerds, etc (all the old school words here) do they need to be segregated as well? Are we going back to when schools were segregated in to black and white? Now do we need a homosexual school and a hetero school, or a school for the super smart kids and a school for the not so smart kids?

I just think that these issues tend to go too far. I totally think that if someone chooses to be gay, then so be i