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Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, Danny DeVito, Edward Norton and Jason Alexander are among the stars who will travel to the Middle East on a private peace mission. They believe that they can succeed in bringing peace to this war-torn region where statesmen have failed. Do you think they will be successful?

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PHILBERT..
my island paradise that i call home is bermuda!
j-mo
Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 10:17:37 (EST)
Duke...while I really don't give a damn what the countries who chose to stay out of it think either...I really don't think it would be a good idea to "take over" Iraq...that was not our intentions going in and we must set a good example for the people who will hopefully one day be in charge of the country...just my opinions tho!
LH
Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 09:54:31 (EST)
I say lets just put up the American flag everywhere in Iraq and call it "ours". It was/is our money that is going into the place and our men/women who are trying to keep the peace in the place. Make it a capitalistic society and watch it thrive! Screw what others think (Germany, France, Canada, etc...), they haven't helped us one iota!
duke
Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 09:29:38 (EST)
It's OK LH...I understand you might have been just as annoyed as I was! As for the situation in Iraq...it is getting scary...but I feel we need to keep the "presence" there and maybe step up our guard abit! TC!
LH
Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 08:09:29 (EST)
Hi guys...just wanted to apologize for that sharp remark I made yesterday. Just flew off the handle---please forgive me and I am not anti-anything except war and maybe drivers that don't signal before turning. ;-)
This whole thing in Iraq has gotten outta hand. I hate to say it, but I really think we need to get the heck outta there.
Have a good day all---
Laurie
LH in MI
Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 07:37:28 (EST)
Thanks Margarita and JMO...very nice posts! And Connors Dad, your facts were...well, factual and a good read! I have no problem with agreeing to disagree...However I do have a problem with people who have nothing better to do than to post things just to get under peoples skin and cause arguments! I guess I must have let my guard down as this is not the first time this has happened...must be the medication I am on...Oh well, for what its worth I will be more careful not to let it happen again!

LH
Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 01:06:38 (EST)
Is it getting hot in here or is it just me? Margarita and j-mo--nicely said. I don't think there really is anything else to say. I'm curious, j-mo, if you don't mind me asking, what island are you from?
Philbert
Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 00:07:41 (EST)
Margarita--thankyou for being a voice of reason. we really do need to simply agree to disagree on certain things, because we will never all agree on everything; not even within our own national borders.
LH--i had no idea that this would rev you up so much. certainly wasn't the intention. but since you enjoy facts, here are some more...
fact-our prime minister said we would support the u.s. if it was given a mandate by the u.n. to invade iraq. we all know how the u.n. answered that request.
fact-we already had a few of our rusted out floating war tubs patrolling the waters of the persian gulf before bush even invaded, and they stayed there afterward. does that not qualify as support?
fact-our poor old beat up military equipment is generally so out of date that we could hardly have been much more help if we did join you guys. our entire country only has 114 tanks which are going to be replaced soon with 66 light armored vehicles(now that makes sense, doesn't it!). and our ancient sea-king helicopters are truly a national embarrassment.
fact-i personally don't agree with very many things that our federal government does, yet because i am canadian i am forced to explain why our country is perceived to do some of the things it has done.
don't get me wrong, i think hussein needed to be gotten rid of. i just think that bush should have exercised a little more patience thru the political process. then he wouldn't be begging the u.n. for money to help clean up something he had little political support for doing. if i personally ever have a beef with something south of the 49th paralell, please believe me when i say that it is almost always with the politicians, and not the ordinary people. i have met so many cool american folks i've lost count.
i certainly won't call you anti-canadian, or anything else. i see no need to make this personal. we've never even met face to face, although i'd be just as quick to buy you a cup of coffee as i would margarita, or riley's mom, or IRT from israel.
connor's dad
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 23:58:54 (EST)
MARGARITA....
very well said! i just wanted to add one more thought...i think it's kind of ridiculous for anyone in the western world to be "anti-american" or "anti-canadian". while i understand america's frustration and disappointment in canada's lack of support, the 2 countries aren't really that much different. in the western world we share the same basic principles and value system, so to hate one country is kinda silly. i have encountered more anti-american people in my life than anti-canadian, and i have to say it's so disheartening for people to hate america, when america is usually the first country to help out in times of crisis! i'm not suggesting for one minute that america is better than canada (since i am half-canadian) but i hate when people "bite the hand that feeds them".

i think we should celebrate the similarities and differences between the two great countries of this side of the world, and understand that there will be differences, and that we won't like all canadians, or all americans or all things that either country stands for.

and i would really hope that nobody criticizes another for their pride in their country. i love my little island home..altho sometimes i just want to get the hell out of here, i would come out fighting if anyone dared to insult my country or criticize my pride for my beautiful island...as far as american pride goes, more power to you americans. sure, the u.s. has its problems (dont we all?) but i don't think there is a country in the world more patriotic than the u.s. even tho i'm not american, the anthem brings tears to my eyes. so i applaud all you americans who wave "american pride" around...why not?!


j-mo
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 23:31:09 (EST)
Riley's mom : so glad you are proud of the country you live in.
LH ~ well as a fellow US citizen you know I am proud of the country I live in and I am glad you are too ;-).

We cannot change the fact that citizens usually determine that what they have is the best, and neither one of you is about to change the other's mind ;) so why don't we all just agree to disagree?
I am not saying that LH is anti-Canadian or that Riley is anti-American, but surely we all feel our country is the "best" otherwise we wouldn't be living there.
Riley - you need to understand that we view Canadians as our loyal friends and to be denied your support hurts the average US citizen.... our soldiers are dying over there for a cause which you may not believe in but it doesn't change the fact that our soldiers are living breathing people with family and loved ones who want to support them at home - hence the American Pride slapping you in the face. And many US citizens DO support the war - if nothing else a people who were living under an authoritarian gov't are being relieved of that - unfortunately change hurts and can be convoluted. And please, don't call me anti-Candian because I love Canadians, I think they are neat folks and I admire some of your politics. That doesn't change the fact that we feel betrayed by the countries who aren't standing by us who have always been our loyal buddies before. After all, people in all nations will benefit from Hussein's removal from power despite the fact that as of yet no weapons of mass destruction have been found. Unfortately, only a few will pay the price....
Margarita
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 21:34:28 (EST)
this doesn't suprise me one bit. canadians try despretly to kep their nose clean in everything. of course they won't step up in a time of war.
LH in MI
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 20:14:29 (EST)
Ahem... I thought this was a legitimate ADULT forum...c'mon guys...grow up. Next question iparenting?
Cherokee
email: cherubcareaz@yahoo.com
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 19:53:09 (EST)
Ha ha or Boo Hoo

Riley's Mom
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 14:48:22 (EST)
I rest my case......
LH
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 14:39:03 (EST)
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I am not ashamed of my Canadian Pride.

Lord knows we have American (US) Pride slapped in our faces every chance they get.


Riley's Mom
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 14:27:21 (EST)
Well, I'm certainly happy to provide some entertainment for you CONNORS DAD! I would like to share somethings I have learned about our Canadian neighbors in the last year or so (you know, since the war began)....while it seems to me that they have become quite judgemental and outspoken since their choice to remain anti-war, I feel it is their way of making excuses or possibly a guilt-trip for not standing by US when we asked them to! I have also found that if one single comment is made about the way things are here in the states...there are almost always a few Canadians (RILEY included!) who feel they must post something wonderful about their Canada...from hotdog buns to the extremly high exchange rate!!! That Mr. Connors Dad is highly amusing to me!!! Now you can call me anti-Canadian all you want...I find that equally amusing from a country where anti-Americanism runs rampant...but one cannot ignore the FACTS...you might not be able to "swallow" the FACTS...but you certainly cannot ignore them!
LH
Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 13:39:50 (EST)
was just reading the banter between LH and Riley's mom(amusing at times), and i just wanted to share some of my experience from the last few years...
i have travelled extensively thru 8 provinces and 39 of the lower 48 states, and it is clear to me that the perceived advantage of the admittedly stronger american currency isn't always as beneficial as might be thought. some examples:
u.s.$=1.30 can$--difference of 30% (at the moment)
Lobster dinner in western canada(read long way from atlantic!) approx. $25can
same lobster dinner in Maine: $20-$25u.s.--diff. of 0 to 20%
basic new car:list price in canada=$21000. same car on american lot about $16000. Diff. of 30-ish percent.
anyway not to belabor the point that in many cases we are paying the exact same amount in global terms; the price is simply adjusted up or down by the same difference between the two currencies. so maybe our "canadian peso" isn't quite so worthless as some here think it is. the time when we feel it the most is usually only when we travel south and have to convert cash, or better yet let visa do it--believe it or not they actually give the best conversion rate between currencies, so save your cash if you're ever travelling abroad and use your plastic for everything possible. take care all and let's be good to each other.
connor's dad
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 23:05:28 (EST)
No, it doesn't hurt to try something and who knows, maybe they'll do some sort of good...but I still can't help but to find it both embarrassing and humorous!
LH
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 22:27:11 (EST)
If they want to go, let them. It never hurts to try something.

IRT: Thanks for posting. It was great to get someone's opinion that is from that part of the world.
LG
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 17:23:13 (EST)
hi all--wow reading all the posts makes me crazy!!! LOL (but in a good way)
I totally agree that Hollywood has no business in the Middle East...someone pointed out that if the cameras weren't following they wouldn't be going. I believe that...just another publicity stunt courtesy of Hollyweird.


LH in MI
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 16:57:23 (EST)
Oh good God....these people do not know what it is to be an average normal person in todays world. They do not worry about mortgage payments and saving a few dollars at the supermarket.

How egotistical to think that these individuals who exist in a completely different society where different rules apply can POSSIBLY understand the complexities of the economic, religious and social implications of the Middle East. It is so ridiculous it is embarrasing. Claire from Orlando, Fl
Claire
email: jnorth@cfl.rr.com
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 15:11:11 (EST)
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pk
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 13:41:07 (EST)
CURIOUS: How can it be a "crime" if two people are exchanging goods? Only if one of the persons was forced into the agreement would it be a crime.
oscar
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 09:30:05 (EST)
Maybe this will serve as a wake up call for these celebrities because these people probably DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHO YOU ARE!!!

It amazes me that because they pretend to be someone else on TV for 25 minutes or so a week, that they can solve the world's problems. The all-mighty celebrity. Give me a break.
Renee
Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 00:52:57 (EST)
Riley, you don't have to forgive me for anything as I was just stating a FACT that the US dollar is worth way more compared to your Canadian pesos! I am not anti-Canadian either so get over yourself plez!
LH
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 23:43:59 (EST)
Curious- Anywhere in Canada.
But beware of Lh's advice.Our dollars has been on the rise all year, while the US economy is going where???
It's a shame people can't let go of their anti-Canadianism. Oh well, I forgive you.
Riley's Mom
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 23:17:20 (EST)
Is prostitution a "victimless crime" if a person wants to buy sex and a person wants to sell sex for money?
Debate from E! "high price of fame".
curious
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 22:54:45 (EST)
CURIOUS...make sure your friend takes along some good ol' AMERICAN MONEY so he can buy even more hotdogs and buns than if he were using Canadian cash! HA!
LH
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 21:28:42 (EST)
Where in Canada? My very best friend is moving to Edmonton for a job. Any suggestions for that area?
curious
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 19:54:44 (EST)
yes, anything anyone can do to contribute to world peace will and can work. a kind word or just a smile can work wonders. instead of judging others we should strive to help, take their actions of love as an example. Love your neighbour. All is one. Love all Serve all.
hope for sai
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 15:42:10 (EST)
Sorry Curious,
Can't answer your question. Here they sell them 12 buns and 12 dogs.
Maybe Canadians aren't so backwards after all.
Riley's Mom
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 13:59:05 (EST)
Heyy, my kind of questons!!! (LOL!)
1) Yes, CURIOUS! That question has hounded me for years! I am sure that it is a ploy by the hotdog bun people to SELL MORE BUNS!! Afterall, you have to buy 2 packages instead of one, or 2 people will be BUNLESS! We usually just eat the last 2 without buns..LOL!!!

2) CHRISTINE...if you are having a problem with your school principal, then you could call the Superintendent, Director of Instruction or the head of the Board of Education! Good luck and hope you get the problem resolved!!!

MARGARITA..finches are great little birds and so cute to watch! I had one once (if you only have one it will bond more towards you!) that became so tame, he would sit in my hand and let me pet him! Oh, I know about the "being exhausted" thing...everything just wears me out anymore! And I have to work the election polls tomorrow which is a 14 hour day...uggg!!! TC!!!
LH
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 11:47:27 (EST)
IRT,

Please cite where i said all muslims blow themselves up and that all muslims are extremists. It just so happens that the extremists who do frequently blow themselves up are muslims. Not sure why that fact seems to touch a nerve on you though...

and what does this have to do with the peace agreement with egypt or jordan anyway? This is about the israeli-palestinian conflict.

I'll have to take your word on the burka issue for now. I am hitting the books to see what the custom is.



PJB
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 11:27:05 (EST)
Why do they sell 10 hotdogs in a pack, yet only 8 buns...does this make sense to anyone out there??
curious
Monday, November 03, 2003 at 09:24:27 (EST)
Who do I call when I have a problem with school principals?
Christine
email: cri39@msn.com
texas DallasMonday, November 03, 2003 at 08:15:26 (EST)
LH ~ that's ok - not trying to make anyone change their opinion ;-) just pointing out that not all celebrities are equally moronic.
Well, we are still thinking of another bird someday but on a pretty distant horizon. Our plates are pretty full right now (I am exhausted but I won't get into that) and I don't feel like I could give a big bird the attention it needs. Maybe if I continue to miss the sounds of birds we MIGHT get some little finches in a pair so I wouldn't feel so guilty about not having time to give them lots of attention. Miranda still asks about Matti all the time. She tells me that God needs Matti and that Matti isn't sick anymore =) and we look at pictures of him. I would love to see Sammi when you get his photos posted.
Talk to you later!

Margarita
Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 21:08:30 (EST)
Hi Margarita, while I respect your opinion, I still hold to my guns about it not being the atmosphere for movie stars to be going into...but do agree that only time will tell! President Reagan, God bless him, would have been my pick to send over for peace talks...didn't he receive the great negotiator award?

How have you been? Still thinking about getting a new birdie? I am going to try to post pics of Sam on Bellaonline and will let you know when I do! TC!!! :-)
LH
Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 18:21:04 (EST)
how long after you hav a baby do u hav a peroide
j ros
email: jandjross@troycable.net
Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 16:45:32 (EST)
While I have agreed that not much is likely to come of this particular visit, I am surprised at how many celebrities are assumed to be morons. Let's not forget that Ronald Reagan started off as an actor, just one example.
I agree that it is ridiculous how much money movie and tv actors are paid - but I do think they do have a career that they have put time and effort into - getting a break in the movie industry is pretty tough and many actors had some pretty lean years before they hit paydirt and were able to afford all that junk and play equipment they accumalate. I don't really know what they're work life is like - I've never been involved in the production of a movie - nor do I really know how their private time is spent because I don't personally know any stars ;) but I feel it is pretty safe to say it is not all sunshine and roses. Again, I don't think this particular instance will have many great rewards, but if they want to give it a go, then who can blame them?
Someone mentioned that celebs would have a better chance of winning favor with Middle Easteners than the average joe and I disagree with that - I think we need to prove that we aren't just a bunch of spend-thrift materialistic idiots - which is how many people view celebrities (rightly or wrongly - not saying they are!!) and I feel that the average citizen can do that just as well as a celebrity.
PBJ ~ just curious - you mentioned that soldiers would be responsible for the safety of this group - is that true or will they be protected by bodyguards (private bodyguards?). I don't think they should be afforded any more protection that any other citizen of the USA who was on a peace mission should be.
Margarita
Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 03:33:36 (EST)
I've been reading these posts. I have to agree with the "nay-sayers". The Middle East's big beef with the US (aside from foreign policy)is the way we "sinners and infidels" lead our lives. Some of the representatives of that sinful lifestyle (I'm just saying what "they" have said)are the movies and publications that come largely from the US (i.e. tawdry movies, skin mags, etc).

If alot wasn't at stake here, it would absolutely crack me up that a pretty boy like Brad Pitt, or glam girl like his wife, would leave their posh estates and go to a country that has such primitive conditions to tell THEM what the deal is and how to resolve it. I mean, these people play "dress up" and make believe for a living. It reminds me of a comment Ben Afleck made during the whole hulabaloo over the Bush /Gore votes in Florida...I'm not quoting here, but it went something like: ...I don't have a whole lot of faith in someone WHO DIDN'T GET HIS FIRST REAL JOB UNTIL HE WAS 40 YEARS OLD (referring to Bush's time with the baseball affiliation). hoohoohoo...I laughed so hard, what does Ben thinks he's doing?
These actors think they are somebody important and well-known, and they are...if their egos are so huge it is our own faults...we pay them huge sums of money to "entertain" us, but we only pay EMT's and Paramedics/firefighters/policeman $9-$25/hr to risk their lives (sometimes lose it) to rescue our butts. It's OUR faults that the value is placed on entertainment, not on the real heros. I'm interested in seeing what Arnie does with the fire situation in CA that he will be inheriting. You know, I think sometimes, these actors act so much that their minds get confused with reality. They actually believe that is who they are...so it's not such a big leap to see them think they can persuade the powers that be in the Middle East to make peace with each other. Like I said, if so much wasn't at stake here, I would be laughing. You don't want an electrician pulling your teeth, I don't want the icons of our negative image to the Middle East representing our country. God help us.
Cherokee
email: cherubcareaz@yahoo.com
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 17:27:12 (EST)
Wow, looks like we have a lively topic here.
IRT--Just a couple of quick thoughts:
I hope for your sake that your dreams of thousands of youths on both sides of the war being converted to a more peaceful way of thinking come true, since you live in the middle of it all. I think I can speak for the majority of people here who scoffed at this idea by saying that it is just our opinions that we don't think it will work. We could all be wrong, and I for one hope we are. I would love for my 5 month old son to never have to see some of the things on CNN when he grows up that we have seen.
Second, I would love to visit the middle east someday. I know a couple of people from Iran and they speak highly of their homeland. But until the minority of crazy people stop blowing themselves up, or until I grow a suicidal tendency, it is not too likely to happen.
Third, not everyone who posts here, nor who is against this idea, is American. I saw your apology to LH, and I am not offended one way or the other. But many of us in the west can be just as sensitive about our national identities as in any other region of the world. But I'm sure you realize that by now.
Take care, and may peace truly be with you.
Philbert
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 17:01:44 (EST)
No more "pregos" coming from here LH!=) Three little ones, plus working outside of the home, is definitely a handful--but I coundn't imagine my life any other way. Wouldn't want it any other way either!=)I agree with you that being pregnant is the best experience. No matter how nauseous, uncomfortable, awkward, moody, etc. I was feeling, I will always look back at my pregnancies has a very magical time in my (and hubby's) lives. Wouldn't trade a minute of the experience--except for maybe the "one more push" part. I swore that I was going to rip the head off the next person who told me "just one more push" when our little boy was being born! AARRGGHH! Well worth the effort though. TC All, and have a great weekend.
angela
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 15:00:11 (EST)
Let the stars move there and become actors on the televison stations there...see how much money they will not get paid out there for "who" they are. If I believe my memory serves me right, most of these stars were against the war in the first place...so let them go "play" with the citizens there...and hopefully if they have a heart they will have a meal or two with the U.S. GI's who are stationed there. But probably not.
oscar
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 14:57:32 (EST)
WoW Angela! Has it been 4 months already? Sounds like you have your hands full...but worth every minute of it, I'm sure!!

BTW...how many "pregos" do we have here? Forgive me, as I'm too lazy to go back and check! That's such a special time...I'm envious!

TC all and have a great weekend!!!
LH
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 11:02:52 (EST)
Hi ya j-mo!=) Yep! Miss Dayton Faith is growing like a weed--she's a BEEFY 13 pounds, 4 ounces as of her four month check-up earlier in October. Hee! Hee! She is also 26 inches long, so she may be a tall one, and her features are really petite. She had her picture(along with brother Mason & sister Maranda) in two local newspapers in their costumes at our community's "Harvest Hoopla" kiddie parade. Grandma & Grandpa just love those things ya know. =)
No pictures on a website though--it seems that I USED to have time for things like that, but once our 3rd child was born, days were cut to inhours or something--and I need 30 hour days to get everything accomplished that needs doing! Ha! Well-gotta run, I'm taking my turn at work this Saturday! TC all!
angela
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 10:20:35 (EST)
Well, IRT...yes I do get offended when I constantly hear "you Americans this" and "you Americans that"...mainly it comes from disgruntled Canadians or the French so I try to just smile and consider the source!

Since you are actually from the Middle East, then who better to know what or who the people over there want...so if you want our movie stars to help promote peace...well, so be it! Maybe it might work, maybe it won't...I guess only time will tell! TC!
LH
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 02:23:40 (EST)
I realize the issue is dying out but I have the disadvantage of a major time difference to respond...
PJB- thanks for your advice on my news sources - you are obviously something of an expert on mid-East issues so you do know that Israel has a 25 year standing peace agreement with Egypt and nearly ten years with Jordan.
Not all Muslims are blowing themselves up, most of them just want the ability to live their lives and support their families. Assuming that we are all parents (or soon to be), I hope that we can agree that education (for potty training or peace) is important, why not take advantage of well known celebs (even in the backward mid-East...) to promote the idea, it might not have an immediate effect, but what is another generation in a war of "thousands of years" as you called it.
Israel greatly appreciates the friend and supporter that America has alwalys been to it, and having American icons come here just strengthens that feeling.
As for Aniston in a burka - PJB - maybe you should hit the books, Palestinian woman don't ware burkas. besides, why are you worried about offending Muslims, you seem to think they are all extremists anyway.
LH - sorry about the "you Americans"... no offense intended.I must say though that it seems the "men" in foreign affairs have not done so well, perhaps more should be left for women...
IRT
Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 01:37:11 (EST)
JMO!!! I had the most wonderful day SHOPPING!!! Haven't been out of the house in like 2- weeks without the hubby or the kid cause I can't drive with all the damn dope I'm on...arggg! Anyways...I'll write you a longer one later and maybe...just maybe I can get the kid to help me post those pics of Sammy-birdie!TC!! :-)


LH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 21:32:37 (EST)
you know this is kinda like deja vu for me. didn't we talk about celebrities and their opinions etc regarding the war? i think we pretty much established then that while of course every person, famous or not, is entitled to voice their opinions on any subject, the opinion of a celebrity should not be held any higher than that of a non-celeb.

so why is it once again that people think for even a moment that a famous entertainer could somehow bring peace to the middle east?? and really, to those celebrities, (sorry brad and jen, i love ya but...) why are they even bothering? as much as i hate to admit it, i wonder if it is self serving of them to make this so called peace mission. is it because they honestly think they possess some skills or traits that will bring peace? or is it 'cause they just want a little ego boost? if that's the case then their lives, altho they seem "perfect" are obviously lacking big time.

while i applaud their good intentions, and am relieved that they are not completley wrapped up in their own worlds and notice that there is a WAR in the middle east, they are wasting their time. and as someone pointed out, possibly wasting LIVES.

sorry to sound negative, but it ain't gonna happen. there hasn't been peace for how many years? i don't think a little visit from hollywood's best will bring peace.

angela, nice to "see" you too! how is miss dayton? growing like crazy?? do you have a website with pics?

LH thanks for your note earlier!!!! will write to you soon!!

take care all

j-mo
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 21:08:46 (EST)
Riley...take a fricken breather yourself! :-0

I think they are going over there so that they can get more media attention...and I find it highly amusing they think they can use their movie star status to obtain something no one else has been able to achieve in the last ummm...1000 yrs or so!
LH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 18:55:26 (EST)
BTW- I don't recall nameing negative thinkers.
Riley's Mom
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 18:32:55 (EST)
LH- Take a breather.
What is it that you think they are going to go over there and do?

Riley's Mom
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 18:30:49 (EST)
BTW...I'm NOT being negative! I posted before that I wish PEACE for everyone...Middle East included!
LH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 17:41:59 (EST)
AHHH, I've been $HOPPING allday...felt so good to get out of the house even tho I'm sure I'll be paying for it later tonite...I even bought some early Christmas gifts!!!

RILEY...PJB answered my question to you! Entertaining the troops IS a different story...it would be great if that is what they were going over to do! I think the troops could use some entertainment right now to let them know we still care! (although I don't think any of the "stars" listed are very entertaining!)
LH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 17:37:58 (EST)
I guess you are right Oscar. Nobody should even bother trying. The government failed why would anyone else think they have something to offer.

I don't know of any soldiers killed proctecting movie and tv stars. I suppose it is a different story with everyone when the stars are over there to perform a little diddy for the troops instead.

Peace has to come from within the people who live there, that is the only way that it will stick. But anyone willing to extend a peaceful thought or a positive thought is most certainly needed.

Look at the negativity someones good intention can stir up.
Riley's Mom
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 17:15:21 (EST)
Delusions of Grandeur and narcissism...those are the psychological diagnoses of the stars who actually believe they can succeed where our statesmen have failed. Give me a break!
What makes them think they can accomplish such a task? Next thing we know Barbara Striesand is going to be dictating that we ALL go there and try to make peace...while she sits at home eating her bon bons.
Hey, if they want to waste the money and time, let them. It doesn't faze me one bit...
By the way...has Alec Baldwin left the country yet??
oscar
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 15:38:15 (EST)
My guess Riley is at the expense of the men and women in uniform who have to protect them even though they are entering the danger zone voluntarily. As far as I am concerned they should go only at their own risk and their's only. @#$% on them if a solider is killed as a result of trying to protect them. as far as there being no harm to them going, i think that is untrue. the mid east is offended by our westernism and the presence of pop culture "icons" can disrupt the environment and maybe even offend the muslims. I doubt we will be seeing anniston in a burka as a show of respect.

PJB
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 15:11:47 (EST)
LH- What expense?
Riley's Mom
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 15:03:37 (EST)
I think that it is a positive thing to have American "Idols" so to speak, enter into the realm of pushing peace. They are going as a recognized group of people, who are speaking on our behalf. I think it makes more of a point to send "famous" people than it does to send , me, for instance.
Emmasmommy
email: kathleen_amaral@msn.com
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 14:02:07 (EST)
Riley...but at who's expense?
LH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 12:53:36 (EST)
What the hell. They certainly can't do any harm. After all it doesn't look like anyone else is succeeding. Anyone attempting to bring Peace should be welcome to try.
Riley's Mom
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 12:45:22 (EST)
IRT-of course tourism is non existant in the middle east...DUH!!! Who wants to go there and get blown up in a car bomb?
SH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 12:23:49 (EST)
I second LH's sentiments on the "you americans". Especially coming from someone from Isreal, that is particularly rude. Our close ties with Isreal is why OBL has targeted us. Not to mention Isreal is the benefactor of our largest aid packages every year. IRT, you should realize who/what is truly helping you, it is not the celebrities' peace missions for sure.

PJB
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 12:16:45 (EST)
OOPS! "IRT" I meant! I was WAY off! Sorry...
angela
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 11:33:51 (EST)
Hi all! I'm sure these celebs will have an entourage of cameras following them. My question is: Would they do this "peace" tour if there WERE no cameras? HMMMM? I'm thinking not! It will take much more than Hollywood's Ambassadors to bring peace to the Middle East--If there ever WAS peace brought to this area of the world, how long would that last? I'm not being sarcastic, BUT this area of the world has been fighting for thousands of years, and IF there ever was an end to the violence I think another war would start over fighting about who "won" the first time. We need to remember there is a very powerful group in that area of the world that does not WANT peace, never has, and never will. For some of those people hate is all they've ever known--if peace was brought to that region, what would these people have left to them?
Also, ITC (I'm sorry I cannot remember the initials, but I mean to address the person posting from Israel.) Why, pray tell, would I even WANT to go to the Middle East????? There are plenty of places right here in the good 'ol U.S. of A. I can go to if I want to put a big target on my back and do my best "sitting duck" impression. Puleez!
Hi L.H. and j-mo!!! Long time no "see." =) A Goodwin--how's the mommy-to-be feeling? Starting to show yet? I LOVED it when I started "looking" pregnant! When is your "due" date again?

angela
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 11:28:56 (EST)
Ohh man...If I read another post that starts with "YOU AMERICANS.." I think I will scream!!!

IRT..most of us here in the United States don't have the funds or free time to go off on private peace missions...and agreed that such matters are better left to the men in charge of foreign affairs! Personally, I would love to see PEACE in the Middle East and my heart goes out to the people who have and are being affected by it everyday!! But I think it is crazy to send attention starved movie stars over there and expect anything except them taking precious time away from the men who really should be solving the problems and also people putting their lives at risk to protect them while they are there!!! I do not have any "faith" in these people other than to provide me with something to watch on TV...that IS their job and they need to stop pretending they're something more than that! Sooo...yes, I find it quite amusing!!!
LH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 11:01:15 (EST)
I think it is good that these people want to help. I am all for peace everywhere, but I don't really think they are going to get the job done.
I mean if they want to try by all means let them go. I hope they can actually make some progress.

Anyway......Just wanted to wish everyone a very safe and Happy Halloween!
sc
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 10:56:36 (EST)
IRT:

And why would I want to go to the middle east? I for one am not a fool and am not bent on a suicide mission. Anniston and Co. said their mission is to bring peace, not a pop culture tour for the youths. The question is, will they be successful and my answer is NO! The people causing the violence dont give a hoot that little miss anniston wants them to be peaceful, these people have been in this conflict for thousands of years, an american celebrity is not going to change the course of history. and one more thing, i am willing to bet that these goofballs are going to be approaching the isreali's asking them to be peaceful to the muslims, not asking the muslims to be peaceful to the isreali's. it's the muslims who are blowing up buses and cafes but every time the isrealis retaliate for the suicide attacks the american media howls how it is the isreali's breaking the cease fire du jour, etc. Maybe you should try getting news from a source other than MTV.


PJB
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 09:43:02 (EST)
Boy you Americans are tough on your celebs! I am writing from Israel, and I must say that we really appreciate the inniative these stars are showing. First of all, the fact that they are willing to come here at a time when tourism is practically non-existant, is commendable (when was the last time you were in the mid-east PJB?).
These people are youth idols here as much as they are in the states - if there is a chance that they could make just a few thousand youths on each side stop and ponder, well I think that would make their trip well worth their while! I highly doubt that their mission is to turn Arafat into a screaming "Friends" or "Seinfeld" fan...
In-fact, thay are coming on behalf of an Israeli-Arab movement that would like to help promote it's cause, and bring out the millions (no less!!) on each side that do support the peace process!
If there is any chance one of them is reading this (maybe Jeniffer is pg...): good for you! how refreshing to hear of young, successful celebs taking time to care for something other than themselves! You are definitly welcome in Israel!
As for you commentators, maybe your celebs aren't as misenformed as you think...
IRT
IRT
email: toweg@netvision.net.il
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 08:22:29 (EST)
I wonder if they will have camera crews following them around for a televised documentary?? Or better yet...wonder who has the MOVIE RIGHTS!! Bwaaahahahah!!!!
LH
Friday, October 31, 2003 at 00:17:31 (EST)
This is too hilarious. These folks obviously aren't aware that Hollywood and it's celebrities are one of the very biggest things that the middle eastern extremists hate about the west. Hopefully they take the hint after the first mortar goes whistling over top of their Hum-V tour vehicle.
Philbert
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 23:11:51 (EST)
Yeah, I don't think they will make a bit of difference either... but who can blame them for trying ;).
There are some celebrities who DO do good deeds in political situations but in general I think they are in over their heads.
Margarita
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 22:02:52 (EST)
Funny question...and I agree with all of you. Enough said. I'm guessing this question will be worn out quickly!

A GOODWIN-Where have you been? How are you doin? Are you showing yet? How do you feel? We're still waiting for AF so we can TTC again!
SH
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 20:58:24 (EST)
oh please. stop killing eachother and let's just get along because Jennifer Aniston said so. uh huh. I see that one working already.
LH in MI
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 18:19:30 (EST)
Youre right ACS, in the social sense that we are all ambassadors of our homeland, but I guess I mean in the offical sense of the term. Maybe "ambassador" is not the term i should have used, but I hope you all know what I mean anyway.
PJB
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 17:07:01 (EST)
Amen, PJB! The reason these people have not been elected to an official government position is because THEY ARE TOO MISINFORMED to be competent in the world of politics. Leave the networking, etc. to the politicians elected by the people. This is one role you can't play, Hollywood!! So stay out of it, or you are apt to make things worse, not better!!! Also, why is the media even giving celebrities publicity in this area? Why aren't they praising the troops who are offering their lives for this cause?
Jennifer
email: djdietz@websurf.net
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 16:11:42 (EST)
I have no problem with people wanting to spread the message of PEACE around, however, I doubt any of these celebs will succeed. They are nothing but easy targets! Anyway, I highly doubt that they'll spread their message of peace to the common muslim folk! They'll most likely be safe and sound in some palace somewhere.
A Goodwin
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 16:09:38 (EST)
I don't believe that these celebrities can bring peace to the middle east, I agree with the prior comment in that sense but every American is an ambassador to the U.S. We all represent our country and we should all be involved in how it is run. That is what makes us a democracy
ACS
email: streepera@hotmail.com
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 15:49:39 (EST)
PJB...I LOVE YOUR POST!!! Couldn't have worded it better myself! About all I could add to that is "DITTO!"...OK, new question iparenting! LOL!
LH
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 11:35:49 (EST)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

Yeah OK, our worldy enlightened celebs are really going to convince radical militant muslims who stop at NOTHING, not even suicide, to kill non muslims. They have been hell-bent on this mission for thousands of years, what makes these goons think they can change their ways? Hey hollyweird, guess what? THEY HATE YOU AND WANT YOU DEAD. YOU ARE THE INFIDEL IN THEIR EYES. When is hollywood going to take a clue that they are NOT statesman, leaders, experts, or ambassadors? They just need to do what they do best, be phony and childish and shop.

Boy, my list of people's movies and shows to boycott gets longer by the day.
PJB
Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 09:56:21 (EST)