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David He admitted he did it, laughing about it! WHY should he live? No, we are not God, so what, you can dive around in a car and kill people for fun, and get away with it? Hes probably stupid enough to think he will get tried as a juvenile, NOT gonna happen! there was one report saying they thought he was older than 17, they cant find a valid birth certificate. Figures! Smug little punk, counseling will not help him at all! And I agree with one poster, just cuz his mom didnt hug him enough, and love him enough, he knew what he did was wrong, not its time to pay! I hope they both rot in hell!
Michele
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 11:08:19 (EST)
At the begining I felt sorry for John Lee Malvo, after hearing that he confessed and was smiling at the same time. I changed my mind. He does not seem to care or think what he did was one of the most awful things that has happened in our country. If you let them live there will be others who think they can do the same thing. If all you get is a prison sentance for this crime when should you get the death penalty?
Celis
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 11:03:11 (EST)
Why should he live?
Because we are not cowardly bully murderers who decide who can live and who can die.
That is why he should live.
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 10:20:27 (EST)
Funny I am watching all of this "Biblical Quoting" going on. Yes,. those without sin may cast the first stone. Not being perfect mys`elf I am very careful about judging other's actions. However, having never committed a murder I shall cast the first stone.
This boy is the predominant trigger man. At 17 he made adult decisions to end other people's lives without regard for the sanctity of that human life and with even less regard for each person's family and loved ones.
As a Police Officer's daughter, my greatest fear was that my father would not come home at the end of each day. Have you any idea what kind of fear that is and what it is like to live with for the better part of 18 years?
These people were simply shopping or gassing up their cars, mowing their yards. And they are dead.
Why? Becuase some sick bas$5#rd decided it was time for him or her to check out?
Who made Malvo God?
He must pay for his crimes. Crimes he methodically a, intentionally and calculatingly committied.
Yes, eye for an eye. Murder is not a game nor is the punishment for such a heinous crime to be taken lightly. The sanctity of life is equallly as important.
He should die. Afterall, why should he get to live anywhere, even if it is in prison for the rest of his life. He will be using up precious space and air, to which he is no longer entitled.
Stop this nonesense. Debated are great and very enjoyable. But how much would you be enjoying this debate if it was your mother, father, child, or spouse that was killed so coldly by this child-man?
A Police Officer's Daughter
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 10:12:22 (EST)
Yes, I think both of them should be put to death. Being one who lives in the area, terrified of my husband going to work each day, since it put him in the middle of all the Montgomery Co. attacks, it affected my life. Although, fortunately, not as profoundly as the families of his victims. Maybe that clouds my judgement, maybe not. What deterrent is there to keep people like him to abide our laws? In our society, it's a slap on the wrist and a warm bed with 3 square meals a day. And perhaps even TV and other luxuries. We strive so hard to be Politically Correct to the point of having to tippy-toe around people. Part of our reason for being here is to be contributing members to society, in whatever small way we can. Can those two be rehabilitated? They enjoyed what they did. What does age have to do with it? He knew perfectly well what he was doing. Why bother keeping him around? What good will he ever do for our society? It's not the death penalty that has our society so violent. It's that we have become so tolerant, lest we step on someone's toes and infringe on their rights, that we have allowed our society to degenerate. I think there needs to be stiffer punishments for people who commit heinous crimes like they did. I don't want to hear any excuses, mommy didn't hug him, or whatever. He made his choices. Good riddance.
D
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 21:37:40 (EST)
I believe that he deserves alot more than death, he should die a slow and painful death. He took alot of innocent lives and he doesn't deserve to be tried and sent to prison where he will live his life! We need to clean house, get rid of those who have been convicted of the same crimes and bring back the death penalty to all of our United States, not just a few! I'm so enraged by these people it makes me sick, especially when they (Mc Veigh and this guy, too) served our military at one time, what a disgrace! An eye for an eye !!
Carol
email: cwhyble37@juno.com
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 20:33:37 (EST)
It sounds to me like John Lee is proud of what he did. He is atmitting to KILLING people and smurking at the same time. He maybe 17 but he made desitions that hurt alot of people. I say let the courts do their job. LM
love muffin
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 14:56:33 (EST)
It sounds to me like John Lee is proud of what he did. He is atmitting to KILLING people and smurking at the same time. He maybe 17 but he made desitions that hurt alot of people. I say let the courts do their job. LM
love muffin
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 14:56:25 (EST)
It sounds to me like John Lee is proud of what he did. He is atmitting to KILLING people and smurking at the same time. He maybe 17 but he made desitions that hurt alot of people. I say let the courts do their job. LM
love muffin
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 14:56:16 (EST)
I use to not believe in the death penalty but out judicial system sucks and if the crime fits then the punishment should also fit. An eye for an eye and they both took out to manys eyes and the two snipers should have their eyes permentley shut. Why keep them alive on death row when their sentence is going to be the death pentaly and why waste tax payers money to keep them in jail.
Emily
email: redneck518@yahoo.com
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 17:48:43 (EST)
I am NOT God, so I say execute him.
michele m
email: greyhoundluvr@netzero.net
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 00:06:13 (EST)
WOW David and Michele are you guys married? You sound like an old married couple to me. As for the killers let them burn in Hell. They caused enough for the rest of us. They had the whole east coast on edge. They KILLED people out doing every day things. They should have their day in court, then FRY them! KB
kattie bug
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 22:36:57 (EST)
Michele-
I'm not patronizing anyone...I am debating and when someone responds directly to me and misses the point (i.e. you) I respond and clarify. Now if you keep making statements like "No, they shouldnt have appeals, not in their case!" I am going to ALWAYS challenge you on that because I don't care who you are or what you've done, in our country you have the right to all the protections the law affords you! It doesn't matter if you killed the pope on national TV...in this country you are guaranteed the right to due process. Period. There is no wiggle room there. And it is attitudes like "he doesn't deserve this" or "she's not worthy to get that" that perpetuate ignorance, and make people think they can be judge, jury and executioner....hmmm where has that happened before? In our country, EVERYONE has the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, not in the media, but in a court of law! So stop whining about getting challenged on a board called Sound Off! If you can't take the heat...
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 18:18:25 (EST)
David,
Thank you for that! I have enjoyed "speaking" with you. I feel more enlightened by your well thought posts. Being here has made me think of the issue of capital punishment in different ways. Healthy debate is a great thing. Thank you for the convertation. :)
PJB
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 15:17:31 (EST)
I knew what you meant David, stop patronizing everyone. You think we are all stupid here? Its all of a matter of opinion, no we dont all see things the same way, but you are treating people here like they are completely ignorant, maybe you should look in the mirror?
Michele
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 15:03:39 (EST)
Sounds like YOU are the one menstruating David! What is the point? It is the YOU are being an ass! That IS the point.
Michele
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 14:59:57 (EST)
The bible ALSO says that women are are menstruating are unclean and should separate themselves from the rest of society until they are done and while they are menstruating anything they touch is also unclean...so what's your point??!!!
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 14:53:22 (EST)
EYE FOR AN EYE!!!
THATS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
HE DESERVE DEATH FOR HIS PART.
MISSY
email: mnf011674@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 14:49:28 (EST)
I never thought you really were suggesting crowding induced executions I just used it to point out what I thought was not a good justification for the death penalty. As for the overcrowding itself, the only thing that is changing the equation I am proposing is the 100 or so people a year (divided by 50 states) that would get life as opposed to death. All the other factors you listed are all constants, i.e. they don't increase the population any more than is already accounted for...At any rate I want to say too that debating with you is really a pleasure as you are one of the FEW voices on this board that actually reasons and thinks before you write and I respect that tremendously even if we don't QUITE see "eye for an eye" :)
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 14:46:53 (EST)
David---lets take the 70-80 prisoners a year that would otherwise be executed, add that to life no parole for the other murderers not on death row, add X number of new inmates coming in every year both serving life and non-life sentances, factor in life expectancies...i see a population problem. Again i am not suggesting executions based on prison crowding. It is just an angle that needs to be considered on this multi-faceted issue.
PJB
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 14:34:56 (EST)
Michele-
Do you know what a metaphor and irony is?? Trigger happy is an "ironic metaphor" for a populace that is all too willing to put someone to death without first going through checks and balances...and given your omniscience about who should have the right to appeals and who shouldn't I think it was very apropos...
PJB-
The highest number of people executed in one year in the US was 98 but averages around 70-80...but for even numbers lets call it 100/year that means 2/per state per year...I hardly think that is an undue hardship to ask the states to deal with. And as for people getting out...like I said all you have to do is legislate it. My only point about the drug offenders and the 3 Strikes rule is that life sentences can be enforced so long as there is legislation to back it up.
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 14:10:47 (EST)
There is never any reason to kill innocent people. He should definitely be punished for his actions. He is old enough to know what is right or wrong.
jenni
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 14:00:29 (EST)
just to clarify, i am not suggesting executions because of over crowding. i am suggesting that if we replace the death penalty with genuine LIFE sentences for all murderers, we will run into over crowding.
PJB
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:56:04 (EST)
your 2nd post went up while I was typing my response.....
Maybe the number of executed prisoners would not result in immediate overcrowding had they not been executed. BUT, murders are parolled all the time. you are suggestiong that they should sit in the prisons for life. I would be for that, but i know it will never happen, many would be sprung eventually.
the 3 strikes thing for non-violent offenses...that is a different tangent all together. I am totally against that. the "drug war" is ridiculous.
PJB
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:42:42 (EST)
David,
Criminals know they can take their chances in the courts. Hire some morally bankrupt lawyer who will invent some argument about temporary insanity and such and know that they are VERY likely to not get the death penalty.
compensation from the government???? come on. who is going to pay for that? that will be open season on the government then (really, the taxpayers). so it is the EVIL gov't faults' for these murderous actions? the mentallity of people not taking resonsibility for their own actions is more devasting to our culture then capital punishment by far. Also you never answered my question...where are you going to put all these murderers? You have a very idealistic view, endless money and resources to make everyone happy. it does not work that way in the real world.
PJB
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:35:37 (EST)
I believe if convicted John Lee should die for what he did. He is 17. I am sorry but I do not beleive that 12 months would have changed his mind. He did what he did and he should pay for that. As for the cost the reason it cost more to put people to death is the appeal after appeal. It is the way the courts are, that makes it cost so much. All those appeals cost way more than living out their sentences. I also thought they were saying that the two were not related after all, it was just what they told people while traveling around. These are very EVIL people and they hurt alot of people. They do not deserve to live. Lou
lou
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:34:45 (EST)
David IM trigger happy? Im not the one that went around shooting innocent people and CHILDREN! They will have appeals even if they get life, they will say they found Christ, and they got counseling, and that they are cured, CRAP! No, they shouldnt have appeals, not in their case! They are obviously the ones that were doing this, the only innocent people here are the victims! Lets NOT forget about them.
Michele
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:33:35 (EST)
PJB-Again a non-sequitur. You mean you are trying to tell me that the number of people executed in this country each year is enough that all of the sudden the prisons would be overcrowded if we stopped the practice?! Hardly! That argument doesnt hold water at all, to say nothing of the cruel and callous view that because we have prison overcrowding that executions are somehow an aswer for that...And as for life sentences meaning parole eventually...again BOLOGNA! All of these lovely "Three Strikes And You're Out Laws" where people are sent to prison for LIFE (NO PAROLE) for three NON VIOLENT drug possesion convictions, have the ability to keep people behind bars...it just takes the right legislation. So try again...
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:32:30 (EST)
Michele-
Lori was right. It DOES cost more to execute a prisoner than house him for life. This is because of all the mandatory appeals, court costs, special housing, etc. And please don't suggest we shouldnt allow years and years of appeals because they are the only safeguard between the trigger happy majority such as yourself and an innocent person being executed. (which I'm sure has happened and should be reason enough to outlaw the death penalty).
PJB
You argued yourself into a corner. You admit in your statement that in the current state, would be criminals are not paying attention to the consequences that exist even under the threat of the harshest of consequences...doesn't this say the death penalty isn't doing what it is supposed to?!
What needs to be addressed is why our country holds on to a culture of violence and the government should be leading the charge in changing that view by LEADING BY EXAMPLE.
And as far as what to do about the families that were so horrifically effected...they should be compensated by the federal government because we as a nation are complicit in these acts because we foster an air of vengeance and violence.
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:23:13 (EST)
David,
Where do you expect all the incarcerated-for-lifers to go? do you think that prison space is infinite? Besides, we all know that a "life sentence" equates to possibility of parole down the line anyway.
PJB
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 12:59:57 (EST)
Yes, I feel that John Malvo was old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. How could you go around shooting people at random and not know that it is wrong? I feel that he enjoyed pulling that trigger and watching the innocent die so why shouldn't he be at the receiving end? I have no heart for him and I believe in the death penalty. Why shouldn't these two monsters be put to death? Do you think they thought about each individual and their life as they pulled the trigger? No I highly doubt they felt bad as they killed the mother of two or they shot that poor boy in front of a school. Too bad we are not allowed to watch the execution.
Aimee
email: ajenkins66@prodigy.net
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 13:00:36 (EST)
Lori I beg to differ on your It costs more to put someone to death than to house them for the rest of their life. We just put a child killer to death last month here in my state, finally justice for the little girl and her family after 20 yrs, and it cost the state 20.00 for the injection to put him to sleep forever! I think it costs more than $20.00 to house a convice for life! And, they did kill first!
Michele
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 12:48:03 (EST)
Why are our children now killing each other with such frequency?
Lori,
Maybe it is because children in our current society know no consequence for their actions. Removing the death penalty would show murderers that there is no consequence for their actions either.
PJB
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 12:47:57 (EST)
I find it very interesting that the people who talk about God and God's laws are the ones that are the strongest advocates of the death penalty.
I was once a strong advocate, but I now realize that we are no better then the criminals if we decide to kill them. It costs more to put a prisoner to death then it does to house them until they die naturally.
Also, the U.S. is pretty high on Amnesty International's list of countries that commit heinous acts against humankind. We need to take a look at our killing mentality and realize that we are fostering the mindset that these people have--as was stated by others.
Why do we have more violent crimes then any other country in the world? Why are our children now killing each other with such frequency? We seriously need to take a look at the death penalty and realize that by using it, we are no better then the criminals.
And as for the "eye for an eye" argument, does it not say in the Ten Commandmants "Thou Shalt not kill"? I don't think is says "Thou Shalt not kill,unless someone else does first."
Lori
email: lorilee0000@hotmail.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 12:34:57 (EST)
But WHY should they get to live? What about the mother of 2 small children that they KILLED so cold blooded? What about the father that they snuffed out, so vilolently? What about the school boy, who thank God lived, but who Im sure will have emotional scars forever, so cold blooded? Thank God they are NOT trying them in Maryland, where more than likely, they would sit in prison, with privledges to watch a movie, go to the library, have warm meals, get visitors, go outside, NONE of which these innocent people can do again, because they are DEAD! I have no doubt they both will get the death penalty, of which, we are going to still have to pay for all of their plea bargaining, supreme court filings, and sitting on death row for 20 yrs. Too bad we cant try them in Texas, Im sure they would take care of these monsters!
Michele
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 10:58:18 (EST)
YES
He is old enough to know better! He could have made the right choice from the start! Sham on him for getting wrapped up in the momment and not allowing the lords laws guide him! Wait heres an idea, let's lock him up for along time, pay for his meals, dental/health, electic, and water, give him an edducation and when he is 70 release him so he can continue to cost each and everyone of us, money and our safety, and continue the possiblity of have another person killed at his hands!
An eye for an eye! We all have children and protecting them is more vital then ever before! Therapy can only do so much!
Shannon
email: Momtolulu@aol.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 10:49:28 (EST)
Well said David, whoever and wherever you are. I do agree with you that our violent mentality is a breeding ground for those who take vengence on the innocent. It is our national mentality of consume and throw away and consume some more that sets the rest of the world up to hate us. Love - it bodes well for country songs and greeting cards, lip service at Christmas - but when we are called to "love our enemy" whoaaaa!....that's when we've asked too much. Let's walk our talk, America. God is not on our side - God is on the side of those who love Him and keep his commandments.
GGH
email: nurturingconnect@fuse.net
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 10:45:54 (EST)
What I find interesting are those who say that John Malvo should be put to death because they don't want their tax dollars feeding and housing him the rest of his life. My question then is "who is your real God?" A Power higher than all of evil and with whom all things are possible or money? Don't live in a mentality of scarcity. If you believe that God is a God of goodness, than you will have no fear that God will provide what is needed to "keep" these sinners. God will never lead us where He cannot keep us. I do not want the blood of these two men, nor anyone else, on my hands and then profess to bow my head and ask God to forgive me of my trespasses. It won't work that way. I recently read "when the power of love is greater than the love of power we will have peace on earth." Let it begin with me.
GGH
GGH
email: Nurturingconnect@fuse.net
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 10:38:48 (EST)
OK lets set a couple of things straight.
#1 Since the federal government dropped their charges against the two, unless you live in Virginia or Maryland (where they would be most likely incarcerated) your precious tax dollars WON'T be supporting their incarceration. So that argument for wanting them put to death is a non-sequitur.
#2 Since when does Joe or Jane tax payer get to pick and choose which felon they want to support with their tax dollars and which they don't. This is just silly. Your tax dollars go to supporting a prison system, not individual prisoners. And even if you could pick and choose who is going to sit and say "prisoner X is worthy, he gets to live. prisoner Y is not worthy, he must die." This is absolute insanity and this is the point, it is not our place to judge who lives and dies...THAT is exactly why what they did was SO HEINOUS! As an enlightened society we cannot let our justice system sink into a pound of flesh mentality...this is exactly what perpetuates our violent national attitude and what keeps breeding these wackos in the first place. As a nation we need to understand that violence breeds violence and punishing criminals by the method of their own acts breeds a nation of veangence seeking gun weilding paranoid hate mongers. Now before you write back saying I'm advocating letting them off the hook...I'm NOT! They should be locked away for the rest of their days! But doling out death as a punishment is a sure fire way to ensure we will be having this debate in perpetuity!
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 10:28:13 (EST)
If Malvo committed the crime & found guilty beyond resonable doubt yes I do believe that he should be punished to death. Murder is murder, and at 17 I was responsible for my actions, knew the difference between right & wrong & had to pay the consequences for any wrong doings I may have done. I am a mother of two childern (3.5 yrs & 7 mths) and my 3.5 yr old knows that killing is wrong. I am CANADIAN and CANADA there is no death penalty. I believe that we should have such penalty. Snuffing out innocent lives for a "THRILL" is wrong.
Kimberly
email: fatcat22@sympatico.ca
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 10:14:41 (EST)
MW if his father is so devistated, then why didnt his father raise him? Why was he with a step father? There are alot of unanswered questions, however, this boy is now linked to another murder in Atlanta, he knew right from wrong, or he wouldnt have run from the police and FBI. The other guy did not stay awake every single moment for how many months? This kid could have dont the right thing, if he wanted too. And, being a minor, didnt his real parent wonder where he was? Hes not even a legal citizen here in the US, this is just bullshit and should not be tolerated! Counseling is not going to help this animal, and I for one would not be comfortable for one minute knowing he was out running the streets!
Michele
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 08:38:58 (EST)
I think John Malvo should be sentenced to death if convicted. As a mother of 2 young boys (5 & 2), I am constanly trying to teach them right from wrong any why they are such. My sons knows that killing and hurting others is wrong. It is as simple as that. A 17 year old knows that killing is wrong, unless he has lived in a box for 17 years. I do not want my tax dollars supporting him in prison, providing him with shelter, food, health care, an education when he has taken those rights from others for no other reason except they were there. We will not tolerate terrorism in any form. They must be held accountable for their actions.
KK
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 08:34:38 (EST)
I think Malvo should get the death sentence. Seventeen is old enough to know that murder is wrong!!
Michelle
email: michnjon@hotmail.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 08:31:47 (EST)
I agree that Malvo may have been influenced by and perhaps even "Followed blindly" Muhammed. And if the jury believes that and does NOT find him guilty of Murder in the First Degree he won't be put to death. On the other hand - I do not think that being 17 is reason enough not to be executed. I believe that a 17 year old has the capacity to know the difference between wrong and right and that he knew what the consequences of his actions would be.
Elizabeth
email: calythia@telocity.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 06:31:03 (EST)
No to the death penalty for the "young man" Well, dearest parents, it is obvious to me, none of you have any military awareness. All are civilians. This man who manipulated this 17yr. old was trained beyond your wildest dreams. He was brain washed and lost in his own nightmare. I will guarantee it was that boys life, or theirs. This boy was raised in a hard working village. Never saw a gun before this nightmare. His father is devistated. He is a boy who found a way to the U.S. got himself stuck in a bad situation. Go back to cnn with Larry king live. The boy wrote a note to get help to get away from this man. Why didn't he run? I cannot answer that other than that man was awake with every movement. Again, our military has created a monster. They give them the forget it drug, and think it will work. Check it out at your next doctors visit, ask about the drugs to make you forget surgery. Our Military is by far the best, however, there are problems, and this man, and some others are a concrete result. This boy, knew write from wrong, but, the details need to be left up to the jury, all needs be considered here. He needs serious counseling. We cannot guarantee a productive human being should he ever be released, but, people can change, it will depend on the mind games played on him by the one who was all he could be. Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. The eye for an eye pertains to the unborn child in the womb of the mother. People please read, that is why the Bible is so misconstrued, and thought to be contradictory. No one knows what it is saying and take off with their own translation. With Love to all.
MW
email: jmcidlj@aol.com
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 05:43:38 (EST)
Yes, I think John Lee Malvo should receive the death sentence. He should have realized things were going bad when his step dad started shooting people for fun, and should have tried to stop the killings. Since he didn't then he is as guilty if not more.
Melaine
email: lakota@plains.net
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 21:01:40 (EST)
Looking in the newspaper @ the pictures of the victims, a wind of grieve came over me. I could not believe someone could take another person life for no reason, out of the blue. The murders did not narrow it down to race, culture, or size. They had no predjudice. Cold murder was there mission as if pain and death of others was satifying to their souls. Should he be punished of course. Should he die, my opinon yes, both of them should. God Bless the victims of the murders.
sheena
email: smitholi@navy.navy.mil
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 14:58:15 (EST)
I dont know about anyone else, but I for one do NOT want MY dollars to keep this bastard alive in prison! NO WAY!
Michele
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 13:55:22 (EST)
I think murder is murder, no matter how old or young you are. At age 17, I was held responsible for my actions. At that age, you know exactly what you are doing. I don't think the death penalty is the answer, but he does need to spend the rest of his life in prison. There was no thought of the families of the victims. There lives were cut short while they were only doing daily activities, not even expecting anything to happen. I close with this thought...the Ten Commandments are the rules of life. If the rule is broken, the punishment is severe.
Michelle Black
email: strssdmm2@earthlink.net
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 13:49:53 (EST)
If you are able to do a crime than you are able to suffer the consequences.
Felicia O.
email: j4848@aol.com
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 12:13:04 (EST)
David,
When my ancestors came into this country they followed the LEGAL process. I am all for people coming here for a better life as long as it is within the laws that are in place. You cannot change the fact that Malvo was here illegally and had our government enforced our immigration laws he would have been deported before this happened.
Heather, nobody is "attacking" anyone over politics. It's called a discussion.
with that said, I apologize for straying from the topic, I am just trying to illustrate a point. thanks for reading.
PJB
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 09:19:35 (EST)
Is that even a question? Of course he should get the death penalty. That "kid" is evil. Justice should be swift and deadly.
Rwilson
email: alaskaangel74@aol.com
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 00:06:43 (EST)
On second thought, I think they need to set him loose in a field and let the Army use him for sniper practice.
Madison
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 23:22:47 (EST)
Yes.
Madison
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 23:21:45 (EST)
I believe that he should be tried as an adult. It is impossible that he could have partipated in creating all this madness, and not know that he did wrong. I also understand that your parental figures help to mold you, BUT, he was involved long enough, hid long enough to know that he was doing wrong. I do not think that this has anything to do with religion or political preference. And, to personally attack each other over Rep vs Dem or religious is just petty and childish!
Heather
email: heather@thesub.net
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 20:03:23 (EST)
Jeez! Just for once I would like to read something other than ignorant cliches and platitudes on this board.
PJB-Democrats (nor Republicans) have nothing to do with the horrendous acts you cited and it is a cop out to think otherwise.
Tim & PJB-"Illegals" as you call them, are here to work. 99.9% of illegal immigrants are here for the same chance that your ancestors got a century ago. They aren't here to leach off the system...they're here to earn some money doing a job you or I would never even think of doing...so lets take immigrants out of this argument...after all Tim McVey was a howegrown corn-fed 'Merican jess like you'n me! Why is it that whenever something bad happens, the citizens of the US become a bunch of scared xenophobic bullies, ready to strike and kill the first thing that moves. Being the most developed nation in the world we should be a role model for restraint and compassion towards others. Now I'm not suggesting that these two guys should be let off, rather they should be put in solitary confinement for the rest of their days. But killing in the name of killing is barbaric and not the answer.
James-You mis-quoted me...I said Big Book of MYTHS --not LIES...there is a big difference and I appreciate your concern for my spiritual welfare but I'm doing just fine thank you...and in regards to your last statement it is not our place to decide when someone lives or dies...thats why what they did was so wrong...
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 17:31:15 (EST)
By law he is not yet an adult. But he was able to take an action that led to so many deaths. He had no remorse at all. I think he should get life in prison and one day. So that he would not be aloud to get out. As part of his sentencing get pyschological help that he most certainly needs and to have to write a letter every day to the victims family to be reminded of what he did.
Sharon
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 16:58:57 (EST)
David,
As far as the "Big Book of Lies"...I just want to ask you one thing...have you read the Gospels? If you can you can not deny the Love that God, our Heavenly Father has for his children...and the Love that Jesus has for us to this day. That is ONE and the most important thing that can not be argued.
I am sorry that you feel that the Bible is a big book of lies.
But, that does not change that "while we were yet in our sin Christ died for us" (that is me too..not just your sin, but mine also)
I pray that the Holy Spirit will speak to your heart today and everyday from here on out about the truth about the word and the love of God.
As far as my opinion on if that young man should be put to death...it is his eternal destiny that is much more important than how he should die.
James
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 16:37:05 (EST)
They should BOTH be put on an uninhabited Island with a dozen or so hunters who paid big bucks to hunt them down and pick them off, the way they picked their victims off. The money paid for this would then go to the grieving families. I dont want my tax dollars going to help these 2 live out their lives in protective custody.
Since this wont happen, put them to death in the most painful legal way possible.
Caryn
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 13:47:08 (EST)
Without a doubt.Why should any tax payer bear the burden to feed,clothe,provide shelter,heat,AC,Medical etc...
Tim
email: Tim@Thermalsciencetech.com
USAWednesday, November 06, 2002 at 13:10:13 (EST)
David,
Thank God for the newly elected Republican House and Senate. If it weren't for the Democrats seaking votes, SLIME like malvo and the Trade Center terrorists would not even be in this country to commit those horrific acts. It is a scary place where ILEGALS can march on in here take advantage of America and all of its blessings and commit acts of violence in the name of anti-america sentiments.
PJB
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 12:25:52 (EST)
Dan Im not on this board to argue, but how can you say that this animal who sat and waited for UN-suspecting LAW ABIDING citizens, and shot them dead, ran from police doesnt deserve to die? Now they keep tying them with even more murders, that we didnt know of before. The guy isnt even a citizen here in the US, so he can just come here and cause all of this pain, on all of these innocent people? You have a good point about voting and drinking, but what he has done is UN speakable, and he deserves to die for it. EYE FOR AN EYE!!!
Michele
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 11:56:15 (EST)
Just reading the responses on this site which is supposed to be all about life is enough to question the integrity of these people as parents.
The States is one of only seven countries in the world that puts juvenilles to death. The others are Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen,Nigeria and the Democratic Republic of Congo-nice company.
You have to be 18 to drink, marry, be on a jury but we'll put you to death. Obviously the U.S. thinks that kids under 18 are not capable of making adult decisions but is willing to kill them.
Violence is not the answer to a terrible wrong. If you feel strongly about your position you should try to at least strenghten your arguement outside of a cheap couple of words-Michele or EC
Dan
email: palamidas@hotmail.com
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 11:43:44 (EST)
Yes, he should receive the death penalty. At seventeen, I was in college and living on my own. Yes...my parents had an influence in my life, but who doesn't? He still made his own decisions and he obviously knew they were not good decisions, or he wouldn't have hidden from the law.
Michelle
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 10:56:47 (EST)
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD SEND HIM TO THE WORST PRISON IN THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE HIM GO THROUGH ALL THE FIGHTING AND KILLLING THAT HAPPENS IN PRISONS. HOPEFULLY, THAT WAY HE WILL GO THROUGH THE PAIN THAT HE DID TO OTHERS.
REBECCA
email: rmm608
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 09:59:16 (EST)
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD SEND HIM TO THE WORST PRISON IN THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE HIM GO THROUGH ALL THE FIGHTING AND KILLLING THAT HAPPENS IN PRISONS. HOPEFULLY, THAT WAY HE WILL GO THROUGH THE PAIN THAT HE DID TO OTHERS.
REBECCA
email: rmm608
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 09:57:20 (EST)
You know every time I hear someone spout off quotes from the Big Black Book of Myths I like to quote one right back...like, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" or "The meek shall inherit the earth" or "Do unto others as would have done unto you"...My point is don't start quoting the bible, because for every quote you can find to support your argument someone else can find one to support theirs...its a book full of contradictions...but back to the issue at hand. The death penalty is an antiquated relic of a much more violent time. When will society at large understand that our pervasive culture of violence begets more violence. The problem with the death penalty is that it does not do what its backers intend for it to do. It is NOT a deterent, all it accomplishes is state sponsored revenge and I think it is a scary place when the government is in the business of carrying out retribution killings. Our society is/will be judged by how we treat the least among us...namely criminals, the poor, the elderly and unfortunately with this newly elected republican house and senate it looks like we will be batting a big fat goose egg on all three.
David
email: pixeluva@yahoo.com
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 09:51:48 (EST)
Eye for an Eye * WELL SAID!!! I totally agree!
Michele
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 08:15:14 (EST)
Yes, there is no question in my mind that this *minor* knew exactly what was going on. Whether he was the one pulling the trigger all of the 12 times (and counting) just doesn't matter anymore...he allowed completely benign people going about their lives, to be killed. If that's not an offence worth the harshest of sentences then nothing is.
KAG in TN
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 22:23:57 (EST)
HELL YES. That's all I have to say on that topic...
EC
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 21:19:31 (EST)
STRAP HIM DOWN AND PUMP HIM FULL OF POISON, FRY HIS BRAINS. WHATEVER, JUST DO IT AND DO IT FAST. I DO NOT WANT TO BE PAYING FOR HIS UPKEEP FOR 20 YEARS BEFORE HE GETS PUT TO DEATH. TOO BAD DALMER ISN'T ALIVE. WE COULD HAVE FED MALVO TO HIM!
FIRM BELIVER IN AN EYE FOR AN EYE
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 20:45:05 (EST)
Yes, I think ultrasounds should be allowed. If it isn't harmfull to the baby why shouldn't it?
Lori
email: redbaron1625@yahoo.com
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 19:45:51 (EST)
Yes, I too believe that the death penalty is warrented. I understand that this individual has been led astray, and therefore the circumstances may seem different, but the truth is that this individual is deeply damaged -- so much so that he won't be rehabilitated -- he was raised to be a cold blooded killer. Therefore, we need to remove him from our society permanently.
Carrie
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 11:45:42 (EST)
ABSOLUTLEY! Without a doubt, no question about it, there should be NO other option for him at all.
Michele
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 08:31:01 (EST)
I think an ultrasound is okay to do multiple times. I had a stillbirth my first pregnancy and was unable to have an ultrasound before I lost the baby. I'm pregnant now and I have had five ultrasounds,only one of these ultrasounds were not needed. But I wanted it because I wanted to compare from the first time and I wanted to be reasured that everything was alright with the baby. I don't think theres anything wrong with multiple ultrasounds not inless there is enough proof that more than one ultrasound is dangerous for the baby.
susie
email: susanna_campbell
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 00:51:41 (EST)
